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Old 08-30-2022, 11:58 AM
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I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

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No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?
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Old 08-30-2022, 12:02 PM
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I have leveled an Enchanter from 1-30 myself, with raid gear[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] My level 24 Warrior with a fraction of the gear is killing mobs way faster. He can just face tank 3 mobs in guk no problem, and keep going afterwards.

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Old 08-30-2022, 12:03 PM
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I honestly can't believe you went as far off the rails as to suggest a warrior solos better than an enchanter lol. Have you just been trolling this whole time? You can't really believe that right?
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Old 08-30-2022, 12:03 PM
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I honestly can't believe you went as far off the rails as to suggest a warrior solos better than an enchanter lol. Have you just been trolling this whole time? You can't really believe that right?
You missed the part where we were talking about low levels. You know, 1-30. Seriously, do you not read? Where did I say a level 60 Warrior is out-soloing a level 60 Enchanter, for example?

Back to insults. Every point you make I counter with data. Yikes.
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Old 08-30-2022, 12:05 PM
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Yea we definitely making 200 posts
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Old 08-30-2022, 12:05 PM
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Back to insults. Yikes.
You have done nothing but insult me (and seemingly argue from bad faith) yes, that is certainly a fact. You have not maintained civility nor attempted to actually discuss with me. Yikes.

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I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

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No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?
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Old 08-30-2022, 12:05 PM
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You missed the part where we were talking about low levels. You know, 1-30. Seriously, do you not read?

Back to insults. Every point you make I counter with data. Yikes.
1-12 MAYBE

12-60 enchanter runs circles around warriors for soloing. It's not even fucking close. If it is you're doing something very very wrong OR the warrior is HEAVILY twinked.
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Old 08-30-2022, 12:06 PM
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1-12 MAYBE

12-60 enchanter runs circles around warriors for soloing. It's not even fucking close. If it is you're doing something very very wrong OR the warrior is HEAVILY twinked.
1-30, as the data shows. A Level 27 mob (A glpyphed Sentry) is doing 11.7 DPS.

My level 24 Warrior is doing 15 DPS with Wurmslayer, Fist of Zek, and Silver Chitin Hand Wraps. That's like 3k worth of items lol.
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Old 08-30-2022, 12:08 PM
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I honestly can't believe you went as far off the rails as to suggest a warrior solos better than an enchanter lol. Have you just been trolling this whole time? You can't really believe that right?
I mean this thread is lulzy but, at low levels? Absolutely. Warriors are unkillable death machines. Gear out a level 1 warrior, you can chain farm blues non-stop up until your 30's and even then if you have really good gear you can absolutely continue to chain farm blues.

I soloed a warrior from 1-43 with only gear I quested for / found myself. The first 28 levels or so were very fast. And that was in basically Banded armor I had to stop and raise blacksmithing for, a Bullsmasher I spent a day or so questing for, like real bullshit gear.

In real gear? If people don't think a mildly twinked warrior can't solo they've certainly never actually thought about/tried it, it's fuckin stupid easy. Crippling blows melt shit and your AC/HP pool is huge.

Comparatively, my wizard who did the same route leveled slower because I could only kill 2 mobs before waiting for my mana to return. I know enchanters can charm kite so that's obviously better, but I think you're underestimating how good warriors are at soloing.
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Old 08-30-2022, 12:12 PM
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1-30, as the data shows. A Level 27 mob (A glpyphed Sentry) is doing 11.7 DPS.

My level 24 Warrior is doing 15 DPS with Wurmslayer, Fist of Zek, and Silver Chitin Hand Wraps. That's like 3k worth of items lol.
Ahh so a mildly twinked warrior with a haste item vs a charm pet that you admittedly didn't even cast haste on. This doesn't even factor in that charming done right has 0 downtime and no matter how many you can kill eventually the warrior will have to sit/bandage regularly to keep going.

Got it. Excellent data.
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