Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem here is you are basically assuming a lazy mage will always do X, and a lazy shaman will always do Y. It's on a per player basis, so you can't get any data on what percentage of players play their class normally. For all you know most Mages just afk and leech XP[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only thing you can do is look at how the classes are played normally. Torpor Shamans are going to be doing their job, because anybody who hates Canni/Torporing would have stopped playing their Shaman. It's the same logic with bards. If you don't like a class that requires more effort, you don't play it.

You're out of your mind. Literally out of your mind. When I played my shaman in groups I would start out keeping every buff on everyone and busting my ass to be canni'ing constantly if I wasn't FM or doing something else. I'd be throwing dots and rooting and keeping my pet up/hasted.etc but after about 2-3 hours my ambition inevitably fades. I'd start doing less and less cause shaman is so much fucking busywork to play optimally. If I hit 4+ hours on an extended grind session I was 100% phoning it in. I stopped worrying about buffs on non-tanks other than like haste. Often I stopped really caring about doing DPS and just making sure nobody died and mobs were slowed. If I had nothing that needed to be done I'd sit instead of canni so I could just not have to pay attention and button mash and just watch netflix on other monitor for a second or something.

Mage is SIGNIFICANTLY easier to play lazily and not lose much or any effectiveness. It's not even a contest. There is no possible argument you can make otherwise. Mage is literally the lazy class. It's had that reputation since 1999 for a reason.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're out of your mind. Literally out of your mind. When I played my shaman in groups I would start out keeping every buff on everyone and busting my ass to be canni'ing constantly if I wasn't FM or doing something else. I'd be throwing dots and rooting and keeping my pet up/hasted.etc but after about 2-3 hours my ambition inevitably fades. I'd start doing less and less cause shaman is so much fucking busywork to play optimally. If I hit 4+ hours on an extended grind session I was 100% phoning it in. I stopped worrying about buffs on non-tanks other than like haste. Often I stopped really caring about doing DPS and just making sure nobody died and mobs were slowed. If I had nothing that needed to be done I'd sit instead of canni so I could just not have to pay attention and button mash and just watch netflix on other monitor for a second or something.

Mage is SIGNIFICANTLY easier to play lazily and not lose much or any effectiveness. It's not even a contest. There is no possible argument you can make otherwise. Mage is literally the lazy class. It's had that reputation since 1999 for a reason.

Just because you get lazy doesn't mean that's how everybody plays. I am sorry, but you are not the only Shaman on P99. Don't blame the class because you can't handle it.

[Troxx]

Mage is by far the laziest class I’ve played in eq. It’s so relaxing after 60 levels of bard, shaman, necro, etc. Heck it’s even easier than warrior (cause they actually do have to move around).

It’s pet attack and click the same nuke as often as mana allows. Oh … and every 15 minutes you re-haste your pet and periodically cast a damage shield.

It takes about as close to zero effort to maximize your potential compared to any other class … all while putting out top tier dps in groups.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mage is by far the laziest class I’ve played in eq. It’s so relaxing after 60 levels of bard, shaman, necro, etc. Heck it’s even easier than warrior (cause they actually do have to move around).

It’s pet attack and click the same nuke as often as mana allows. Oh … and every 15 minutes you re-haste your pet and periodically cast a damage shield.

It takes about as close to zero effort to maximize your potential compared to any other class.

That's irrelevant to the topic at hand. It doesn't matter which class is easier or harder.

The logic doesn't make sense. Group A wants to get a Mage because they care about DPS (kill speed efficiency). At the same time, Group A is fine with their players being lazy and not DPSing well (which lowers kill speed efficiency).

You can't have it both ways. You can't argue that a group wants a Mage for DPS, but doesn't mind the Mage and other group members slacking off and lowering DPS lol.

Better to get a Shaman at that point, because they need to pay attention more. They aren't AFKing and not /pet attacking, nuking, or buffing because they are watching Netflix.

[Troxx]

Mage puts out top tier dps while slacking off. Their BASELINE is slacking off and being lazy. It’s not like trying harder and being more busy increases mage potential. Once you have your max summon pet up, you’re literally just clicking pet attack, your best nuke, and managing 2 medium duration buffs on 2 targets (your pet and the tank).

Difference between a lazy mage doing the bare minimum and a “omg trying so hard mage”?

Practically zero unless you’re gonna be doing fancy shit that requires CoTH tricks.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mage puts out top tier dps while slacking off. Their BASELINE is slacking off and being lazy. It’s not like trying harder and being more busy increases mage potential. Once you have your max summon pet up, you’re literally just clicking pet attack, your best nuke, and managing 2 medium duration buffs on 2 targets (your pet and the tank).

Difference between a lazy mage doing the bare minimum and a “omg trying so hard mage”?

Practically zero.

It's irrelevant, because the Shaman will be playing normally too.

If you are going to say the Mage is lazy, that means they are not /pet attacking, nuking, and/or buffing at the normal rate. You don't get to tilt the scales just because you like Mages hehe.

[Troxx]

It’s cool though. Enjoy your nonstop click fest trying to pretend a shaman is good dps. The mage will sit back giggling and doing twice your damage while checking their Facebook page.

Shamans aren’t a group dps class. Excellent healers/support. Excellent soloers (and capable of plowing down some damage in that role. Fantastic duo/trio toons.

But they aren’t an effective choice for doing dps in fast paced groups. They are mediocre at best and outclasses by every melee. Hell my paladin with NToV spear will be doing measurably more dps than your shaman.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s cool though. Enjoy your nonstop click fest trying to pretend a shaman is good dps. The mage will sit back giggling and doing twice your damage while checking their Facebook page.

Shamans aren’t a group dps class. Excellent healers/support. Excellent soloers (and capable of plowing down some damage in that role. Fantastic duo/trio toons.

But they aren’t an effective choice for doing dps in groups.

The data shows otherwise. They can do both. As stated many times before, a Mages DPS isn't necessary in a 2x Enchanter group to begin with, which is why a Shaman's utility is preferred. If your Enchanters are doing 400 DPS, you are killing a mob with 12k HP in 30 seconds. A Mages 30 DPS difference compared to a Shaman would increase the kill speed by 2 seconds. That's not worth losing all of the utility a Shaman has to offer.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s cool though. Enjoy your nonstop click fest trying to pretend a shaman is good dps. The mage will sit back giggling and doing twice your damage while checking their Facebook page.

Shamans aren’t a group dps class. Excellent healers/support. Excellent soloers (and capable of plowing down some damage in that role. Fantastic duo/trio toons.

But they aren’t an effective choice for doing dps in groups.

You know it and I know it and every seasoned EQ player knows it.

DSM is braindead unfortunately.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know it and I know it and every seasoned EQ player knows it.

DSM is braindead unfortunately.

No. People are just sentimental to this game because they are willing to play it 20 years later. If you like a Mage, you will defend it because you have an emotional attachment to the class. It doesn't make the class any better than it is on P99.