most underpowered class in game?

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do agree Warriors are lower on the totem pole. I myself mained a Warrior on live in the Classic to Velious timeline and beyond. But they are so necessary in this timeline due to their discs that I believe that pulls them ahead of Rogues and Mages. You could get rid of Rogues and Mages and still clear all content on P99. You probably couldn't do all content on P99 without Warriors, unless maybe you have an insane zerg like 200+ people.

can be said about most of the classes for a raid. my guild cleared NToV with between 40-50 players back in 2002 with no paladins, mages, necros, or druids.

just a whole bunch of rogues, bards, clerics, -- plus a few shaman, few wizards, few monks, few tanks, and a couple enchanters and 1 SK

that was with upgraded gear from Luclin though... hrm

i guess its harder to determine the underpowered classes.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

can be said about most of the classes. my guild cleared NToV with between 40-50 players back in 2002 with no paladins, mages, necros, druids.

just a whole bunch of rogues, bards, clerics, -- plus a few shaman, few wizards, few monks, few tanks, and a couple enchanters and 1 SK

Oh I agree. Most classes could be deleted. I'd say you probably only need Cleric, Warrior, Enchanter, Monk, and maybe Shamans for resist debuffing to clear all content in this timeline. Everything else is just nice to have. This assumes you could remove the porting requirement of Wizards being able to take you to PoS and PoH.

This is one thing that makes Warriors special, you couldn't really delete them and clear a lot of content without a considerable increase in players and coordination.

[zelld52]

yah -- but for the rest of the game (not raiding) its gotta be warrior / rogue as the bottom two underpowered

what about most middling class? definitely druid, right?

also whats funny is i completely forgot about rangers. not even trying to be funny, just forgot they are a class that also occasionally raids (sorry arrow bois and girls)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I would put Mage below them, simply because on P99 most people know that Warriors and Rogues are group heavy classes. You don't see a lot of people trying to solo Warriors and Rogues, so you need to consider that less when thinking about it.

The sad thing about Mages is they are really the only class that gets worse as they level. Warriors and Rogues can improve themselves via gear and levels, where a Mage can never gain a good amount of Utility and CC. Their damage is capped by their spells and how their pet scales, so they have a much lower ceiling for clearing content late game. That is why they end up as CoTH bots, because they are fun to level, but there isn't much to do at the end.

[Fammaden]

So its settled. The most underpowered class is mage.

[Troxx]

I’m seeing mages get a lot of hate in this thread. For raids, yeah understandable. No pets allowed so you’re basically just a mod-rod bitch and a coth whore. For groups? Mages represent some of the highest dps potential of any class outside of a charm pet.

I parse most every group I’m in and I’ll say that with a max summon pet + nukes (not even factoring in damage shield) nothing was out damaging me other than a charmed pet when I was playing my mage. Even rogues couldn’t compete. The pet alone would outdps or hold steady with most competently geared melee. Add an extra 1-2 nukes per fight and it’s not even close.

Granted … mage pets did get dialed back since the last time I dusted off my mage.

Mages make an excellent … excellent grouping class. Anyone who says otherwise hasn’t run a real-time parsing program.

With regards to mage vs necro … it’s messy. I have played both extensively to 60. Mage will put out a fair bit more damage in a group unless the necro is charming … but necros are frankly just overpowered in all of the *other* they can do (to include pretty impressive healing potential).

If I really only wanted or needed raw dps I’d take the mage. In general though … I’ll take the necro unless it’s a mouth-breather who doesn’t know how to use the full skill set of the class.

[Jimjam]

The best metric for underpowered is how difficult the class finds getting fully epiced.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m seeing mages get a lot of hate in this thread. For raids, yeah understandable. No pets allowed so you’re basically just a mod-rod bitch and a coth whore. For groups? Mages represent some of the highest dps potential of any class outside of a charm pet.

I parse most every group I’m in and I’ll say that with a max summon pet + nukes (not even factoring in damage shield) nothing was out damaging me other than a charmed pet when I was playing my mage. Even rogues couldn’t compete. The pet alone would outdps or hold steady with most competently geared melee. Add an extra 1-2 nukes per fight and it’s not even close.

Granted … mage pets did get dialed back since the last time I dusted off my mage.

Mages make an excellent … excellent grouping class. Anyone who says otherwise hasn’t run a real-time parsing program.

With regards to mage vs necro … it’s messy. I have played both extensively to 60. Mage will put out a fair bit more damage in a group unless the necro is charming … but necros are frankly just overpowered in all of the *other* they can do (to include pretty impressive healing potential).

If I really only wanted or needed raw dps I’d take the mage. In general though … I’ll take the necro unless it’s a mouth-breather who doesn’t know how to use the full skill set of the class.

There is no Mage hate here. I love Mages, they are a really fun class and important in raids. I really don't understand why people equate underpowered to bad, or you don't like them. There is simply an objective best class and an objective worst class, even if all classes are great. This is true on P99, no class is so bad that they are unplayable.

Everything you said about Mages I agree with, except for probably Rogue DPS at high levels. Rogues can out DPS Mages due to their greater ability to scale, they don't need to worry about spell resists, and any mob that can be slowed isn't taking heavy damage from a DS. There are also plenty of areas where pets are more risky than a Player due to pathing issues and whatnot.

The crux of the issue is how much you weigh leveling when considering "most underpowered class". I do not believe a Mage's great leveling ability saves them, because they are quite underpowered at 60 besides CoTH. So sadly you have a great leveling experience and then have little to do at the end. Mages are the only class I can think of where this is true.

[Fammaden]

Now that we answered the question (magician is the answer) what is the most OVERpowered class?

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now that we answered the question (magician is the answer) what is the most OVERpowered class?

Also magician.