Highspeed rail is B$it

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you really this upset or just trolling?

Do you find people often respond well to being called disingenuous garbage liars?

[Kaveh]

Trains are bad ass

[Jibartik]

That they are.



And airports suck.

But barring communist/authoritarian parties or another 50-80 years of progress, we're stuck with em.

But even then I will be taking the drone shuttle.

[nostalgiaquest]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you find people often respond well to being called disingenuous garbage liars?

No, but what i have found is that people get really upset when they know they're wrong about something.

I never said you were garbage. Disingenuous? Yes. Delusional? Absolutely. But I don't think you're garbage homie. Without you this forum would be boring! I may have used some meany pants words here and there, but this is P99 off topic, give your balls a tug. It's no wonder Horza likes to pick on you.

I'm just simply providing examples of when a train might be the better option that a plane. Here i'll do one more.

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bullet train ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ US$78.83 *–US$107.88 *, 2.2–3.5 hrs Japan Rail Pass
Flights ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆ US$30.03 * + plus transfers 4–5 hrs (incl. transfers) Search flights

Let's add on the additional travel fees to that plane, shall we? From tokyo station to Narita airport on the Narita Express train, it costs about 3000 yen, or 30 dollars. You can do it cheaper on the local trains, but you'd have to be crazy to do that. From Osaka station to Kyoto station is 560 yen, about 5 dollars. So now that 30 dollar flight is actually 65 dollars, and takes twice the time. If your company is willing to pay for private airport pickup service, surely they're willing to pay the extra 15 bucks for the two more hours of available work time right? Not to mention the shinkansen experience is a much more enjoyable and comfortable.

Also, not once have i said you should walk from the train station to your hotel or work. You keep saying that as some sort of "gotcha!" but I'm not sure why. I take Ubers/taxis from the train station, which are usually around 5-10 minutes, versus the 30-60+ minutes it could take to taxi from the airport.

This is why I call you disingenuous.

[nostalgiaquest]

But, just to show i don't disagree with everything you say, I am also highly in favor of Nuclear power, and think the EU is dumb as fuck for phasing it out while preaching about the environment and buying oil from Russia.

[Jibartik]

I misunderstood what you said about the central location of a train station being downtown, inferring that you meant it was handy because you could just walk to downtown instead of be at an airport 30 miles outside of it.

Edit: Also I want to say I do have a boomer impression of train stations - I cant think of one that gives me the feeling of security I get at airports (especially internationally). So maybe you're a zoomer and you're more comfortable with your work saying, "take the train downtown" because them's quitting words in my day. To me that means, walk out of a pair of doors onto the street in the center of a major metropolitan city. If it's not that, then that's new to me.

That doesn't make me disingenuous and it doesn't mean everything that comes out of my mouth is garbage (which somehow means I'm not garbage but my insides are?) and that Im a liar.

Now by all means, add on whatever fee's you want to make my number a garbage disingenuous lie and you can win.

edit edit: I also have flown into japan a couple of times and the first time I got from my airplane to downtown Tokyo with no guide via train and my memories of that are nightmares. Sheer nightmares. Like just a maze of fast paced machines, moving in and out of tunnels, and people speed walking shoulder to shoulder like blood cells with no emotion. Transfers to different lines, signs everywhere with scribbles all over them. No way. It was hell on earth. And that's japan, the like mecha of trains. Im still calling bull$hit on trains > planes.

[Jibartik]

This is the train problem that air travel will always defeat it's just superior and my entire point of OP is that it costs more to take trains and it does.

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[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But, just to show i don't disagree with everything you say, I am also highly in favor of Nuclear power, and think the EU is dumb as fuck for phasing it out while preaching about the environment and buying oil from Russia.

What I dont understand if we really wanna to talk about is I dont get why do trains cost more than planes!? That's just insane to me.

Even that japanse one was outragious to me, it was like 100 dollars, but it said its cheeper if you get a rail pass, but that's 230 dollars for 7 days.. that's insane to me, like, to be like, "well im going to take this train enough that I better spend 230 this week, oh damn I didnt end up using it after all, oh well.

Like what a hell life trying to min max that would be lol no thanks, im not getting sold on trains the more this goes.

[nostalgiaquest]

Aww you deleted your post as I was responding. Ok i'll rewrite it.

I went through my previous posts and can't find anywhere that I called you garbage. But if I did, then I'm sorry.

Alls i'm sayin is, as i've stated before, there are multiple reasons why taking high speed rail over a plane if it's available. And to state that it only costs 30 bucks to fly from Tokyo to Kyoto is in fact disingenuous. It doesn't factor in travel costs to Narita, or Osaka back up to Kyoto. Please tell me you understand this?

I'm 36. Not sure which Oomer category that puts me in, but I've found major train stations to all be as safe as airports. There's armed guards, and certified taxi's lined up right outside. Maybe back in like the 80s and 90s they were crazier, I'd believe that for sure.

I'm not anti plane. I'm pro train. They're not mutually exclusive ideas. And i'm grateful to have the option to choose which one is better in different situations.

Major airports right now in Europe are all totally fucked. They laid off staff for covid, and now are slammed during the summer holiday season.
https://www.traveloffpath.com/these-...pping-flights/

For example, last Monday I took a 7am flight from Amsterdam to Zurich. Even with online check in, and without a checked bag, it took me almost two hours just to get through the security line.

My girlfriend had a conference in Austria that she booked a flight for weeks in advance. The day before departure it was cancelled due to airport problems. Became a whole cluster fuck of a mess getting her there in time to give her presentation.

Two weeks ago Schiphol had a problem with their baggage check system and for an entire day passengers weren't allowed to check baggage. Can you imagine what a mess that caused?

https://www.businessinsider.com/schi...true&r=US&IR=T

These are some of many reasons I might choose to take a train rather than fly.

[Jibartik]

What I mean by secruity in airports is they are all the same.

But train stations are always different and most are basically a like hub. There's a lot of local flavor in every station I've ever been, which makes them all random.

Yeah the airline industry is collapsing - the world is coming to an end and we're in the middle of some gigantic financial reset where the ultra wealthy are going reduce the population by a big number because they believe the scientists... but thats another discussion.

As far as 1980-2015's getting around in airports was fine and international flights were always a routine.

I cant say the same for needing to transfer on a train in a country that spells its A's like a square.