Real talk: Blue is a beta cess pool

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by ya.dingus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it's just all about the pop: Purge then Merge.

Sorry blue is beta, it wasn't meant to last forever.

Thinking that Green Characters (the final project) should be subjected to the rules of the beta server (The beta bucks buggy server) is ass backwards.

Looking forward to seeing ya'll migrate to the new Green 2.0 server when you realize blue is stagnant forever!

Your terrible catchphrases don't make your asinine points make any more sense. Enough with the blueberry beta buck nonsense. Nobody else speaks dingus. I don't know who the fuck you think you're talking to when you imply that people care about their blue chars/pixels.etc and that's their motivation but I assure you it's not me. It boggles my mind that you keep replying to me with that bullshit. I've literally said like 15 times that I'd prefer blue to be wiped before the merge. I don't think that will happen but I would PREFER that. What WON'T happen is blue and green both running independently forever in addition to a 3rd recycle server. Unless someone can magically draw like ~1000 extra consistent long term players to this project we don't have enough people to sustain that and you know it. You're just blinded by pixel lust and/or an extremely exaggerated view of the differences between blue and green. Green is Blue 2.0 in the making and everyone knows it. It's already like 90% of the way there.

[Malikail]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you new here? Blue had pops that high for literally like 10 years and it was never a major issue. Was there more competition for certain mobs/camps? Sure. But you also spent WAY less time LFG and walking around a half empty world. Dunno about you but it's worth the trade off to me. This is a MMORPG if I wanted to never experience competition and solo all the time I'd be playing a different game (or a custom solo server which do exist)

Your memory is completely faulty I played 7 years on blue the population was nowhere near that large most of the time. Maybe at peak time but I was doing some kind of raid that I wouldn't have noticed. Population never went above 1200 that I saw.

The world is half empty because everybody is level 60, you basically want everybody to have to play alts all the time so you have someone to group with in unrest.

This is a sandbox that means anyone can play it anyway they want. I want to be completely self destructive I can make a Warrior and do nothing but solo that's kind of the point.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Malikail [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your memory is completely faulty I played 7 years on blue the population was nowhere near that large most of the time. Maybe at peak time but I was doing some kind of raid that I wouldn't have noticed. Population never went above 1200 that I saw.

The world is half empty because everybody is level 60, you basically want everybody to have to play alts all the time so you have someone to group with in unrest.

This is a sandbox that means anyone can play it anyway they want. I want to be completely self destructive I can make a Warrior and do nothing but solo that's kind of the point.

? Blue had about 2k people online for several days around the winter holidays in 2018. Regularly had 1400 at other periods in the couple years leading up to green launch

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Malikail [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please explain to me why you guys want the server so overpopulated that I would quit playing? It's already virtually impossible for me to find a camp worth camping that can keep me entertained. I constantly have people up my butt wanting me to share spawns or make a group. And I mean isolated spots that people don't really go to that much it still happens.

I don't get it I don't understand it. 1400 is way too much.

Oh wow now that I think about it I should’ve been basing my opinion solely on whether YOU personally would want to keep playing. The bell is wrong with your brain?

Also sorry you discovered you don’t really like classic EQ that much. Maybe you should play wow with instances. Or a single player game where no one can interact with you since that’s such a problem for you in an MMO

[Danth]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

? Blue had about 2k people online for several days around the winter holidays in 2018. Regularly had 1400 at other periods in the couple years leading up to green launch

Think he hinted it's relative to timezone. That does matter. Even at present at peak hours the P99 servers might close in on or exceed 1000 but at off-peak hours they fall to 1/3 that, if not less. That kind of around-the-clock population will factor in to a merger decision as well, just as it did with Teal: A server with 500 people at peak might be fine at that time but be much more problematic at off-peak hours.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Malikail [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Population never went above 1200 that I saw.

I've played blue off and on since it launched with at least one 3 year long stint and several others ranging from a few months to a year. I saw it over 1200 plenty of times. Was fairly common from memory. But even if I grant you the 1200 number for the sake of argument. Are you arguing that 1400 is unplayable garbage and 1200 is fine? Seems like a weird line to draw imo but you're entitled to that opinion. The point I'm making is the world feels VERY noticeably emptier at 600-800 than it does at 1200+ and we have YEARS of blue sustaining well over 1000 players with no major overpopulation issues. As of 9:30pm EST tonight (roughly primetime) there's 1800 total players on blue/green/red.

Scenario A: Blue/Green merge and Green 2.0 launches. Initial launch hype numbers will inflate as they always do. After the dust settles we'll be back to around the same number as always. This project hasn't drastically grown or shrunk in like 10 years and that's not gonna change anytime soon. Ignoring the mostly empty Red this means we'll be back to about 1800 people at primetime to split between 2 servers. Green 2.0 will probably remain slightly more popular than the newly merged blue/green 1.0 as one would expect. So rough estimate say we get like 1000 on green 2.0 and 750 on blue 50 on red. I think MOST people would agree this is pretty healthy/normal numbers?

Scenario B: Blue and Green remain running independent. Teal/Orange/Burgundy (whichever color recycle is) launches. Initial hype.etc dies off. Still at the same 1400-1800 range primetime that P99 has been at for eons. Blue probably sits around 400-500? Green maybe 500-600? Teal/Orange/Burgundy gets the remaining 500-800? This leaves us ultimately with 3 servers that all have less than ideal pop numbers. The newest server will always have the most and will likely be "fine" but on the low end of what most would consider the ideal population. This also is only factoring in primetime numbers. If you wanna play non primetime splitting people to 3 servers? Good luck

I fail to understand why anyone would prefer scenario B. The only arguments I see in favor of it all boil down to "Muh pixels" and what said pixels will be worth in the pixel economy OR they think blue is too tainted with a history of GM issues/bugs and they're afraid of tainting their "fresh and wholesome" green characters. Both of these reasons are stupid beyond my ability to adequately explain with words.

[ya.dingus]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is false; the lead admins directly stated on multiple occasions that they would never do a character wipe. That's probably the driving force as to why Red in particular still exists. P99 (called "Blue" only more recently) was intended from the start to remain available more or less permanently, at least until P99 as a whole eventually shuts down. What was then called the recycle server, now called Green, was the one that was always described as following a temporary and finite timeline. They did wipe the original, actual P99 beta; I know because I was there.

Merge or not I don't much care, but I wouldn't tolerate a wipe. I'm not interested in progression servers. P99 as a whole seems to contain several different sub-communities who want different things. For some reason you appear to feel threatened by a potential merger....if they leave you remain separate, that's fine by me. I enjoyed P99 when it was new with ~100 players and I'd enjoy it today with that many. I enjoyed it when it had 2100+. Doesn't affect me overmuch either-or. However if you can only feel validated by the deletion of my near to 13 years of history, then I'd call that unreasonable.

Danth

Not at all, I'm all for merging.

But only after they PUUURRGGEE BABY.

This thread has renewed my vision. Maybe the servers need to merge. But instead of just merging, maybe we PURGE EVERYTHING and start this beautiful project at ground zero.

No history of RMT, no history of duping, no long term server monopolies on loot, raid progression, or history of administrative abuse.

It.will.be.beautiful.

Danth... I just want to be puuuuuurree.




Look at these blueberries Danth, look at what the pixels do to a man. They corrupt him, twist his spirit. His greed is the only thing that remains after a while, and it cloys not just for the pixels in his possession, but the pixels in yours and my possession. It's a sickness Danth, and so long as there is a division between green and blue, there will always be a divisiveness within the playerbase.

Look at them Danth, bombarding the forums in droves, look how it has turned them against their fellow man; these wretches bereft of spirit, their humanity withered away until nothing but the ghastly shade of a man given substance by his greed alone.

Pitiful, wretched, things they be now.

Danth, they need your help. They need you, to wipe the servers Danth.

Once reuinification is achieved, imagine the sever eutopia we could live in. It would be a paradise.

No longer would polluted loot diminish the souls of our fellow man. Destroy the sickness, save the man Danth.

[Tethler]

Lol, this guy is nuts. I look forward to the inevitable meltdown thread when servers merge.

[Malikail]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've played blue off and on since it launched with at least one 3 year long stint and several others ranging from a few months to a year. I saw it over 1200 plenty of times. Was fairly common from memory. But even if I grant you the 1200 number for the sake of argument. Are you arguing that 1400 is unplayable garbage and 1200 is fine? Seems like a weird line to draw imo but you're entitled to that opinion. The point I'm making is the world feels VERY noticeably emptier at 600-800 than it does at 1200+ and we have YEARS of blue sustaining well over 1000 players with no major overpopulation issues. As of 9:30pm EST tonight (roughly primetime) there's 1800 total players on blue/green/red.

Scenario A: Blue/Green merge and Green 2.0 launches. Initial launch hype numbers will inflate as they always do. After the dust settles we'll be back to around the same number as always. This project hasn't drastically grown or shrunk in like 10 years and that's not gonna change anytime soon. Ignoring the mostly empty Red this means we'll be back to about 1800 people at primetime to split between 2 servers. Green 2.0 will probably remain slightly more popular than the newly merged blue/green 1.0 as one would expect. So rough estimate say we get like 1000 on green 2.0 and 750 on blue 50 on red. I think MOST people would agree this is pretty healthy/normal numbers?

Scenario B: Blue and Green remain running independent. Teal/Orange/Burgundy (whichever color recycle is) launches. Initial hype.etc dies off. Still at the same 1400-1800 range primetime that P99 has been at for eons. Blue probably sits around 400-500? Green maybe 500-600? Teal/Orange/Burgundy gets the remaining 500-800? This leaves us ultimately with 3 servers that all have less than ideal pop numbers. The newest server will always have the most and will likely be "fine" but on the low end of what most would consider the ideal population. This also is only factoring in primetime numbers. If you wanna play non primetime splitting people to 3 servers? Good luck

I fail to understand why anyone would prefer scenario B. The only arguments I see in favor of it all boil down to "Muh pixels" and what said pixels will be worth in the pixel economy OR they think blue is too tainted with a history of GM issues/bugs and they're afraid of tainting their "fresh and wholesome" green characters. Both of these reasons are stupid beyond my ability to adequately explain with words.

This is assuming a lot of players are on both servers, at least 3 or 400 at peak times, i don't buy it.

otherwise you're looking at around 1000 at off hours and 2300 at peak hours spiking to 2500+ after a quake.

That's what the numbers would look like if the servers merged today and yes that is unplayable garbage. Verant split povar with less than 2300 at peak hours and did it again as it steadily averaged 2k. Clearly the game is not designed for that kind of population.

I fail to see why you have multiple threads to stir the same pot? Are you that desperate to see a merge? The last patch is barely in and you want everyone to start over?

even if the population numbers were what the devs want to see before they merge and i think they are much higher right now, I would expect they'd wait at least 6 months.

It doesn't even make sense to me why you're pushing this all over the boards, granted i'm weird i despise leveling so starting over on a new server yet again is a hard pass.

EDIT: are you in europe or working an odd schedule? I get up around 10am eastern daily and when i log in between 1030 an 11 on my mule blue is consistently between 500 and 600 and green between 700 and 800, the numbers go up from there as the day goes on. The only time i see the numbers you quote is when i log off at night around 3 am eastern.

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by Malikail [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is assuming a lot of players are on both servers, at least 3 or 400 at peak times, i don't buy it.

otherwise you're looking at around 1000 at off hours and 2300 at peak hours spiking to 2500+ after a quake.

That's what the numbers would look like if the servers merged today and yes that is unplayable garbage. Verant split povar with less than 2300 at peak hours and did it again as it steadily averaged 2k. Clearly the game is not designed for that kind of population.

I fail to see why you have multiple threads to stir the same pot? Are you that desperate to see a merge? The last patch is barely in and you want everyone to start over?

even if the population numbers were what the devs want to see before they merge and i think they are much higher right now, I would expect they'd wait at least 6 months.

It doesn't even make sense to me why you're pushing this all over the boards, granted i'm weird i despise leveling so starting over on a new server yet again is a hard pass.

EDIT: are you in europe or working an odd schedule? I get up around 10am eastern daily and when i log in between 1030 an 11 on my mule blue is consistently between 500 and 600 and green between 700 and 800, the numbers go up from there as the day goes on. The only time i see the numbers you quote is when i log off at night around 3 am eastern.

I think what you're not taking into account here is that a bunch of people on green would just take a break until green 2.0 starts and roll up again there when it launches, so I seriously doubt the numbers will be as high as you're listing here.