Sleeper being awoken tonight (April 13th)

[Goldknyght]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is wrong. Trains were not purposely programmed, they are an unintended consequence of the game mechanics. This is why in the PnP and on the live servers they will punish players from doing it. They cannot easily prevent trains via clever programming, so they have to resort to GM intervention instead.

Sleeper, on the other hand, was purposely programmed to be awoken and despawn the Warders. There is nothing in the PnP that prevents it from happening, and there is nothing unintended happening here. It isn't like Warders despawning is a bug. That is the difference.

Everquest was purposely programmed to move past this event also. Not locked in this timeline. This event was a neat way to have the community decide when it happens then move on to the next expansion. When the p99 team wanted to lock this game in classic. Waking the sleeper actually is a D*** move. How aren't you grasping this concept?

And reading the Play nice policy, this actually violates those rules. We can no longer hunt the warders. They no longer spawn.

[Local]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Proceeds to make baseless claims every 10 pages to try and look cool.

Sad how confident I am that I will see you in another 10 pages.

[Skarne]

In addition, whether it’s a dick move or not is subjective at best. I do believe the sleeper is meant to be awakened. If a guild wakes the sleeper it’s their choice and right to do so.

[Goldknyght]

Originally Posted by Skarne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In addition, whether it’s a dick move or not is subjective at best. I do believe the sleeper is meant to be awakened. If a guild wakes the sleeper it’s their choice and right to do so.

with this logic training or kill stealing is subjective at best too. If i want to train you or KS its my choice and my right to do so as the game allows it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Skarne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All Eli is trying to say is that the comparison of manastone and waking the sleeper are completely different due to the player choice aspect regarding waking the sleeper.

The manastone is a set timeline removal.

The sleeper requires player choice which is a trigger, not a timer.

I agree with Eli on this. It’s a silly argument anyway and I’m surprised it’s gone on for 15 pages.

I think the problem is people are getting too hung up on the "player choice" thing. In video games there typically aren't a ton of things to do, as video games are heavily restrictive systems. You can only do what has been programmed, or what can be done unexpectedly via exploit.

In a game of limited choices, something as cool as waking the Sleeper is something most players wouldn't ignore. So while yes, it is a "choice", it is a choice that is heavily weighted psychologically to happen. And we have 20 years of data to back this up, since the Sleeper has been awoken on most servers. I am really confused as to why people think it is much of a choice when 20 years of data prove most people end up doing the same thing. Everything you do in life is a choice, but there are different degrees to where having the choice actually matters. Sleeper is going to be awoken, because it is just too tempting.

That is why I consider it a timer, because realistically speaking I would never expect a P99 server to keep Sleeper sleeping, and so far all of the data backs this up. It is not a question of if, but when.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goldknyght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

with this logic training or kill stealing is subjective at best too. If i want to train you or KS its my choice and my right to do so as the game allows it.

No, this is wrong. Kill stealing and training was not intended, which is why you get punished for it. Just because the developers cannot find any easy way to fix this problem programmatically, doesn't mean it is intentional or allowed.

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by Skarne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In addition, whether it’s a dick move or not is subjective at best. I do believe the sleeper is meant to be awakened. If a guild wakes the sleeper it’s their choice and right to do so.

Neah... it's a dick move. There is nothing subjective about it. It's selfish. And you are correct, they have the right to be dicks.

[Skarne]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the problem is people are getting too hung up on the "player choice" thing. In video games there typically aren't a ton of things to do, as video games are heavily restrictive systems. You can only do what has been programmed, or what can be done unexpectedly via exploit.

In a game of limited choices, something as cool as waking the Sleeper is something most players wouldn't ignore. So while yes, it is a "choice", it is a choice that is heavily weighted psychologically to happen. And we have 20 years of data to back this up, since the Sleeper has been awoken on most servers. I am really confused as to why people think it is much of a choice when 20 years of data prove most people end up doing the same thing. Everything you do in life is a choice, but there are different degrees to where having the choice actually matters. Sleeper is going to be awoken, because it is just too tempting.

That is why I consider it a timer, because realistically speaking I would never expect a P99 server to keep Sleeper sleeping, and so far all of the data backs this up. It is not a question of if, but when.

Ok so if it’s a timer you should be able to predict with accuracy when the sleeper will wake up on the next iteration of p99 <insert color>

If you can’t do that accurately, and I can predict exactly when the manastones cease to drop, how is that a decent comparison?

[Skarne]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Neah... it's a dick move. There is nothing subjective about it. It's selfish. And you are correct, they have the right to be dicks.

I don’t really think it’s a dick move…it’s actually kind of generous of them to keep the sleeper asleep for as long as they did. They could have woken up Kerafyrm months ago as far as I’ve heard.

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by Skarne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok so if it’s a timer you should be able to predict with accuracy when the sleeper will wake up on the next iteration of p99 <insert color>

If you can’t do that accurately, and I can predict exactly when the manastones cease to drop, how is that a decent comparison?

More like a jack in the box. *boing* Surprise, there are dicks on the server.