Sleeper being awoken tonight (April 13th)

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is a fact that pixel removal denies pixels regardless of who does it. If you are angry at one party for doing it, you must also be angry at any other party who does it. Otherwise you are just using this as a smokescreen to go after the specific party you don't like.

So I have to be mad at staff or being mad at the players is hypocritical?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I have to be mad at staff or being mad at the players is hypocritical?

Yup. Both players and staff are guilty of pixel denial. There is nothing specific about Sleeper that makes it a different form of pixel denial. Why? Because Sleeper is intended to be awoken, and was scripted to do so by the staff.

It would be a completely different story if Seal Team found a way to hack the game and deny content that way. That would be a dick move for sure, as it was not intended behavior, and it's only consequence is destruction. But Sleeper is a normal game mechanic, and therefore no different from the game mechanic the staff put in to remove Manastone.

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Players are still in control.

A very small percentage of players are in control. Corrected for you.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is just a lot of nonsense. You can disagree with me, but you haven't given any evidence to disprove my points except you don't like what I have to say.

P99 is not the same thing as the live Everquest servers, either now, or in the past. It is a customized imitation, with no requirement to follow live history. There are plenty of custom changes on P99 already. You are trying to blur the lines between Everquest live back in 1999-2002 and P99. They are two separate things, even if you don't want to admit it.

There is no disagreement. Your comparison is wrong and stupid. Flat out.

You were refuted with my first response 15+ pages ago. Sorry you can't handle it.

P99 is supposed to be a museum. This is not a secret. It's supposed to re-create live server history up to SOV also known as the "Classic Time Line". Go read the interviews and mission statement from Rogean and Nilbog going back 10+ years.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is a fact that on P99, Manastone is designed to be removed after a fixed time. It is specifically coded to do so.

To mimic develop history of changes made by developers. If original EQ Devs left manastone as a droppable item in game, it would still be dropping on P99.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is a fact that on P99, Sleeper is designed to be awoken. It is specifically coded to do so.

There is no original development history of devs/gms triggering The Sleeper Event and removing that content from the game. If there is, please provide proof. I'll stand corrected.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is a fact that players enjoy waking the Sleeper, as it is the statistically common outcome across all servers, both live and on P99.

Great. Players enjoy waking the Sleeper. Players enjoy denying other pixels. Whatever. Intent is irrelevant. Choice is the only thing that matters. There are players who also enjoy not waking the sleeper. It doesn't matter. Apples and Oranges.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is a fact that pixel removal denies pixels regardless of who does it. If you are angry at one party for doing it, you must also be angry at any other party who does it. Otherwise you are just using this as a smokescreen to go after the specific party you don't like.

Sleeper pixel removal is optional. Choice remains.

Manastone removal is not. There is no choice.

Water is wet. You are simply wrong. Accept it.

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A very small percentage of players are in control. Corrected for you.

Choice remains

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Manastone removal is not. There is no choice.

Last time I checked, the P99 developers do not have a gun to their head, being forced to remove Manastone. I am not sure why you think the developers are forced to do this. They can choose not to remove Manastone, just like players can choose not to awaken Sleeper. P99 developers have already implemented many custom changes that were not in classic Everquest, so you cannot even use the argument that they are just really good at sticking to their mission statement.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yup. Both players and staff are guilty of pixel denial. There is nothing specific about Sleeper that makes it a different form of pixel denial. Why? Because Sleeper is intended to be awoken, and was scripted to do so by the staff.

It would be a completely different story if Seal Team found a way to hack the game and deny content that way. That would be a dick move for sure, as it was not intended behavior, and it's only consequence is destruction. But Sleeper is a normal game mechanic, and therefore no different from the game mechanic the staff put in to remove Manastone.

You are a silly person, good luck.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are a silly person, good luck.

Why? Just saying so does not make it so. This is factually correct, the Staff have denied players pixels by removing legacy items, which they have no obligation to do so.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Last time I checked, the P99 developers do not have a gun to their head, being forced to remove Manastone. I am not sure why you think the developers are forced to do this. They can choose not to remove Manastone, just like players can choose not to awaken Sleeper. P99 developers have already implemented many custom changes that were not in classic Everquest, so you cannot even use the argument that they are just really good at sticking to their mission statement.

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[Ooloo]

So is the consensus basically: nobody can ever wake the sleeper, and anyone who ever does is a dick? Cause that hardly seems fair to whichever guild put in the time and effort to do it. Even if it was some conglomeration of multiple guilds who did it, then they'd be dicks? Again, almost nothing changes, and if having specific warder items that no longer drop was that important to somebody that this is an affront to their personhood, why didn't they app to ST? We all play this game, we all understand the mentality, I think it's actually a bit high and mighty of people to pretend they would *never* do the same thing, if they had put in all that time and effort and were in the same position as ST was.

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Choice remains

For less than 1% of the server, the other 99% did not have a choice.