I don't care what political, cultural. or social values u hold

[Jibartik]

Chicago is a lot like red99

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are blacks still acting like savages who assign no intrinsic value to others' lives?

This is at least more honest than just referring to them as thugs, though still almost comically racist.

[blindedsoul]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Careful. You're treading dangerously close to confirming people are not inherently good. You can kicked out of your leftist utopia for thinking something like that

Mate I know that people are not inherently good without a govt/ Police force the corporations will kill their employee's for profit left unregulated, the people would kill each other for short term gains. There is historical representation of this at every stage of humanity.

There would be no safe place in the US if we implimented anything like this just wondering how he can explain the usual anti govt anarchist stuff.... I grew out of it the anarchist idealism when I was 14 after some practical research and realizing I dont want to live in constant additional fear of death just for going outside lol

[Ooloo]

He phrased it in such a way that sounded pretty racist, but I think a charitable interpretation of what he was saying is "why is violent crime over represented in black communities, even when controlling for economic status?".

I think there is far too much violent crime in poor black communities. I want black kids to grow up prosperous and have a good future and thrive. The cultural elements that actively discourage academic achievement (it's called "acting white") are a huge problem. Many current black academics and commentators agree with this. If this makes me a racist, then all I can say is no it doesn't. Wanting black kids to do well is kind of the opposite of racist. Lefties need to grapple with this issue and address it honestly, instead of yelling and screaming racism when it's completely inapplicable.

Far left media like msnbc constantly hammering home the point that young black men are screwed and everything is stacked against them and they will never achieve anything because of how terrible and racist our society is sure doesn't help, especially when it's not true. We currently live in the least racist society and least racist time in all of human history, and disputing that betrays a massive ignorance of history and the rest of the world.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by blindedsoul [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mate I know that people are not inherently good without a govt/ Police force the corporations will kill their employee's for profit left unregulated, the people would kill each other for short term gains. There is historical representation of this at every stage of humanity.

There would be no safe place in the US if we implimented anything like this just wondering how he can explain the usual anti govt anarchist stuff.... I grew out of it the anarchist idealism when I was 14 after some practical research and realizing I dont want to live in constant additional fear of death just for going outside lol

Then if you conceed that people are not inherently good, Utilitarianism has no place claiming itself a "philosophy". You either stand for something or you don't.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He phrased it in such a way that sounded pretty racist, but I think a charitable interpretation of what he was saying is "why is violent crime over represented in black communities, even when controlling for economic status?".

I think there is far too much violent crime in poor black communities. I want black kids to grow up prosperous and have a good future and thrive. The cultural elements that actively discourage academic achievement (it's called "acting white") are a huge problem. Many current black academics and commentators agree with this. If this makes me a racist, then all I can say is no it doesn't. Wanting black kids to do well is kind of the opposite of racist. Lefties need to grapple with this issue and address it honestly, instead of yelling and screaming racism when it's completely inapplicable.

Far left media like msnbc constantly hammering home the point that young black men are screwed and everything is stacked against them and they will never achieve anything because of how terrible and racist our society is sure doesn't help, especially when it's not true. We currently live in the least racist society and least racist time in all of human history, and disputing that betrays a massive ignorance of history and the rest of the world.

When I teach you how political and social institutions perpetuate inequality I also teach you HOW TO perpetuate inequality.

Likewise, when you teach black kids that they are disadvantaged, and everything is stacked against them....they end up believing that about themselves.

[Jimjam]

We went from “I’m Individually Responsible” to “but but the dark skinned gentlemen in Chicago aren’t all so gentle”.

If you want to make an impact with the stat compare Chicago to an average 1st world city instead of American.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I teach you how political and social institutions perpetuate inequality I also teach you HOW TO perpetuate inequality.

Likewise, when you teach black kids that they are disadvantaged, and everything is stacked against them....they end up believing that about themselves.

You know, you're probably right: something like 0.00001% of the reason why minorities are less well off than non-minorities is because they are taught to think they should be disadvantaged.

But do you know what the other 99.9999% is? Systemic disadvantage.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know, you're probably right: something like 0.00001% of the reason why minorities are less well off than non-minorities is because they are taught to think they should be disadvantaged.

But do you know what the other 99.9999% is? Systemic disadvantage.

Think about this:

- We think that children need to literally see a person of color heroic lead for them to be able to imagine that they too could become a heroic lead.

- Yet we dont think that every leader everywhere saying that the system is stacked against you and you should fear every person of power and nobody will give you any shot at anything... has no effect on children wanting to make something of themselves.

Just think about that.

[blindedsoul]

@ Gwaihir
Saying corporations will kill people for profit without govt regulations is philosophically valid and falls under the nature of knowledge reality and existence

Corporations are groups of people by in extension also validates the prior

Dude you just talked yourself into a circle thinking you made a profound point while trying to moot mine. Either disprove me or concur but stop with the petty antics that are against the word definitions that we are supposed to be using/ agreed on mutually.

Philosophy standard def: the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline.