Defund and Reform the Police

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Pulgasari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think if they can do it to them, they can do it us. It never stops at just one outgroup.

Unlikely. It takes multiple systems of rational reasonable professionals working together to accomplish this. First the person has to present a danger to themselves or others. Then a medical or mental health worker has to clearly spell out the specifics of what that danger is, along with what their mental health symptoms are. Because a person being a danger to others without mental illness is just a delinquent or criminal, and handled differently. So then a doctor reviews the statement of the danger and the symptoms and requests a judge to remove the person’s rights temporarily. Then a court date is set, the person is again evaluated this time by multiple doctors, their findings presented to a judge, and the judge can then put them against their will into an extended hospitalization for months to a year

So for all that to happen to some pleb like Horza, someone would have to make up his mental illness symptoms (which lying on these forums is illegal as well), then the doctor would have to while seeing him in person still agree that he is mentally ill. Then multiple other doctors would have to lie that he is as well. The more people you involve in corruption, the more likely one is going to decide to not play ball. So could all these systems become corrupt at once and start imprisoning healthy, non-mentally ill people in hospitals? Unlikely IMO

[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly. Maybe eventually you can start reminding progressives that say “we just need better mental health treatment!” that 99.9% of people experiencing paranoia or psychosis are 100% not aware that what they are experiencing is a mental health symptom and not real. And those people will get increasingly pissed off as you or anyone else tries to convince them otherwise, same as you would if I tried to convince you the chair you are sitting on isn’t real. So how do you get them to take the medications that you know will help them but that THEIR brain is telling them is either worthless or even worse, some kind of a poison to control them?

In these situations you HAVE to involve the legal system, and start taking away some rights. And now we are opening up the possibility of physical resistance, combativeness, and the need for police. Progressives don’t realize any of this because they can’t think even one step beyond “we need to improve our mental health systems!”, such as how that would could/would play out in the real world

Reminder to still wear your mask. You have to put others first.

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A massive non sequitur. You're just blindly flinging and seeing what sticks.

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[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A massive non sequitur. You're just blindly flinging and seeing what sticks.

You’ve worked security before, so you have experience. You aren’t a cop now. So there is some reason that despite having experience with one of the functions of being a cop, that you aren’t one. You said the risks of the job wouldn’t be a deterrent, so the most common other deterrent for people in not working a particular job, is the pay. But by all means illuminate me on why you don’t just go be a cop? Why not bring your experience and high moral values to a field that you believe is desperately in need of them? I’m curious

[Pulgasari]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unlikely. It takes multiple systems of rational reasonable professionals working together to accomplish this. First the person has to present a danger to themselves or others. Then a medical or mental health worker has to clearly spell out the specifics of what that danger is, along with what their mental health symptoms are. Because a person being a danger to others without mental illness is just a delinquent or criminal, and handled differently. So then a doctor reviews the statement of the danger and the symptoms and requests a judge to remove the person’s rights temporarily. Then a court date is set, the person is again evaluated this time by multiple doctors, their findings presented to a judge, and the judge can then put them against their will into an extended hospitalization for months to a year

So for all that to happen to some pleb like Horza, someone would have to make up his mental illness symptoms (which lying on these forums is illegal as well), then the doctor would have to while seeing him in person still agree that he is mentally ill. Then multiple other doctors would have to lie that he is as well. The more people you involve in corruption, the more likely one is going to decide to not play ball. So could all these systems become corrupt at once and start imprisoning healthy, non-mentally ill people in hospitals? Unlikely IMO

What would happen to your argument if you replaced mental illness with Jews?

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Pulgasari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would happen to your argument if you replaced mental illness with Jews?

If we were in Germany in the 1930’s, a lot of terrible shit. Luckily Germany looks very different now. If you want to see some Jews get persecuted in modern day, just bring them to the Gaza strip or any of the stan’s (Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc), and strand them there. Chances are they won’t make it back alive

[Pulgasari]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we were in Germany in the 1930’s, a lot of terrible shit.

Did 1930's Germany have laws and courts>

[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by Pulgasari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did 1930's Germany have laws and courts>

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Pulgasari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did 1930's Germany have laws and courts>

Germany did sure. If you are acting like old evils could come springing back to modern day, why couldn’t we just get rid of all the courts and have mob justice? Have a mob determine if someone is innocent or not and just beat them to death in the street? Why doesn’t this become our new system?

Ooh, what if we started having sacrifices to the sun God, like the Aztecs did! Rolling heads down pyramids. Wouldn’t that be crazy?

[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Germany did sure. If you are acting like old evils could come springing back to modern day, why couldn’t we just get rid of all the courts and have mob justice? Have a mob determine if someone is innocent or not and just beat them to death in the street? Why doesn’t this become our new system?

Ooh, what if we started having sacrifices to the sun God, like the Aztecs did! Rolling heads down pyramids. Wouldn’t that be crazy?

Not just crazy, insane.