Riot kites then kills KT. Surprised no free Vulak after wiping on free attempt.

[Grumph]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all the "member when's?" are irrelevant, two wrongs don't make a right.

klaz train going to end up like incubo - he'll prob catch a PnP suspension and everyone in Vanquish will be big mad and blame the other side, even though they could have avoided that result by just accepting responsibility for their member's acts instead of throwing them under the bus.

Wasn’t a concession given for that LTK and a PnP ban was still issued?

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Originally Posted by deezy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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King!

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Grumph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn’t a concession given for that LTK and a PnP ban was still issued?

Yeah 2x concession for a mob that at the time you were very rarely contesting. No offer to stop and help CR in the moment. Instead y'all went on and killed 2 (3?) other targets while Riot came and helped Kittens CR and kill LTK. Doing so caused Riot to lose out on Growth/Tunare.

But yeah that 2x LTK was obviously the only necessary punishment.

Wipe an opposing guilds raid, don't offer to help CR in the moment, and take advantage of it by getting 3-4 additional bosses you might not have otherwise killed. The Quish Way.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lmao, nice deflection.

Are you what constitutes the brains over on your side? big yikes.

I'm not sure that you know what deflecting means. My statement is that Kittens trained FRAG and Riot. Your defense was that it wasn't the train that killed FRAG and Riot, it was an extra mob that popped. But that doesn't excuse the train? Who is the one deflecting?

Kittens didn't get petitioned because they didn't get the kill. CSR has shown in previous cases that guilds only get punished if they secure the kill while committing a petitionable act. And I've seen Kittens commit petitoinable acts. Remember the Vyemm stall when they started wiping during a tank swap? Instead of eating the wipe, they extended their engage by leaving Vyemm tanked for more than a minute while the mob summoned them to kill them one. at. a. time.

It was ridiculous.

You know what I haven't ever seen, though? Is Kittens successfully take a contested mob, much less take one after they've broken the rules.

That's why Kittens doesn't get petitioned.

How are you going to deflect now?

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah 2x concession for a mob that at the time you were very rarely contesting. No offer to stop and help CR in the moment. Instead y'all went on and killed 2 (3?) other targets while Riot came and helped Kittens CR and kill LTK. Doing so caused Riot to lose out on Growth/Tunare.

But yeah that 2x LTK was obviously the only necessary punishment.

Wipe an opposing guilds raid, don't offer to help CR in the moment, and take advantage of it by getting 3-4 additional bosses you might not have otherwise killed. The Quish Way.

Two issues with this scenario: Who the fuck needs HELP recovering from LTK? Any non-KOS cleric can just walk up there and any monk can move the corpses.

And who is to blame that Riot CHOSE to go for LTK instead of contesting other mobs?

How is any of that Vanquish's fault? It's not their fault you suck.

[Grumph]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah 2x concession for a mob that at the time you were very rarely contesting. No offer to stop and help CR in the moment. Instead y'all went on and killed 2 (3?) other targets while Riot came and helped Kittens CR and kill LTK. Doing so caused Riot to lose out on Growth/Tunare.

But yeah that 2x LTK was obviously the only necessary punishment.

Wipe an opposing guilds raid, don't offer to help CR in the moment, and take advantage of it by getting 3-4 additional bosses you might not have otherwise killed. The Quish Way.

Hey Croco, I’m not personally trying to read your mind here.

But FYI a normal human reaction to what you just posted would be something like:

“Well I’m never going to do anything for or give up a single inch to Croco now. Look how he responds when you give a concession? Whines and complains for more more more more! No thank you!”

[Horza]

Originally Posted by deezy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Detoxx still delivering pizzas for a living?

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure that you know what deflecting means. My statement is that Kittens trained FRAG and Riot. Your defense was that it wasn't the train that killed FRAG and Riot, it was an extra mob that popped. But that doesn't excuse the train? Who is the one deflecting?

Kittens didn't get petitioned because they didn't get the kill. CSR has shown in previous cases that guilds only get punished if they secure the kill while committing a petitionable act. And I've seen Kittens commit petitoinable acts. Remember the Vyemm stall when they started wiping during a tank swap? Instead of eating the wipe, they extended their engage by leaving Vyemm tanked for more than a minute while the mob summoned them to kill them one. at. a. time.

It was ridiculous.

You know what I haven't ever seen, though? Is Kittens successfully take a contested mob, much less take one after they've broken the rules.

That's why Kittens doesn't get petitioned.

How are you going to deflect now?

it's a deflection because that's not what this thread is about. I know you want to make it about a different subject, because it looks super bad for you all to intentionally train another raid (again) and if you can change the topic of conversation maybe you can avoid responsibility and/or blame.

If the only time you can be petitioned is after you successfully kill a mob, then why does Vanq. routinely petition after it wins the contest. Guess fishing for free mobs not such a problem when you all are doing it. Just another double standard brought to you by the "training isn't cheating" crowd.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Grumph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey Croco, I’m not personally trying to read your mind here.

But FYI a normal human reaction to what you just posted would be something like:

“Well I’m never going to do anything for or give up a single inch to Croco now. Look how he responds when you give a concession? Whines and complains for more more more more! No thank you!”

I will elaborate on my post since you don't seem to have gotten the point. The concession was hollow and meaningless because Frag at the time was almost never killing LTK. So the cost to Kittens was a lot of wasted time and targets lost and the cost to Frag was nothing.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Two issues with this scenario: Who the fuck needs HELP recovering from LTK? Any non-KOS cleric can just walk up there and any monk can move the corpses.

And who is to blame that Riot CHOSE to go for LTK instead of contesting other mobs?

How is any of that Vanquish's fault? It's not their fault you suck.

You heard it here from Samoht folks! If you wipe a guild during an engage you don't need to help them recover if you feel like it should be an easy recovery. Wasted time doesn't matter! Riot chose to come help do what Frag should've immediately stopped to help do at the time it happened. Because Riot was/is a standup guild and Frag/Vanq is an approximation of a large pile of garbage.

Your boy Incubo is the "suck" you're referring to. He was told before he trained that there was a guild at west exit and decided to train out that direction anyways. Too bad Frag had no integrity at the time to do the right thing. Something that continues to this day.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's a deflection because that's not what this thread is about. I know you want to make it about a different subject

I'll quote the context you're missing because you obviously can't read:

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this exact thing happened where another guild trained another guild preparing for a vulak engage, and we actually had fraps with an /assist of a riot member bringing it in

you know what the ruling was

take a wild fucking guess

Just to boil it down, people are providing you with examples of trains that went unpunished. Seems on topic to me. Moving on...

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You heard it here from Samoht folks! If you wipe a guild during an engage you don't need to help them recover if you feel like it should be an easy recovery.

It's not their fault you seriously suck so bad that you can't recover on your own in a non-KOS wing of ToV. You're demanding blood from a stone. You received your concessions. You're owed nothing more. Move on.