The new poopsockers.

[Mesocyclone]

I dont raid. Dont group. Dont care about guilds and their bs. Dont care about end game no drop gear. I solo rares. I could care less why they are suspended or who will follow in their footsteps - doesnt affect me.

[Inconceivable]

Originally Posted by Sabin76 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not that I condone what Venerate did, but there is a difference between being forced to pay for an item (instead of camping it yourself), and being locked out of an entire zone.

No, look at the quote from Scalem. He is whining about ST now camping mobs which are of value in zones, such as Crypt, NOT Trak in this context. So, Venerate/Castle did the exact same thing, but, people don't care.

The moment ST gets removed from raiding and they go for valuable gearing camps and do the exact same thing as TWO other guilds prior to them, they are called out. It is ironic.

Venerate/Castle should be banned from camping Crypt. Or, maybe they can only stay there until they kill 3 heiro's, and then they must leave or give another group a chance to FTE the 3rd heiro.

[Scalem]

Originally Posted by Mesocyclone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont raid. Dont group. Dont care about guilds and their bs. Dont care about end game no drop gear. I solo rares. I could care less why they are suspended or who will follow in their footsteps - doesnt affect me.

Well you should try caring less.

[Scalem]

Originally Posted by Inconceivable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well... isn't this exactly what Venerate/Castle did for Crypt camp? They locked the entire camp down for like 1 month.

But the moment ST does this it is frowned upon?

Playing devils advocate here, but... doesn't this seem a little hypocritical?

I think what they did was wrong too. I’m not talking about them right now though. I think any entity that specifically works to lock anyone else out of something for as long as they can has no place on Blue or Green.

[Scalem]

Originally Posted by Inconceivable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, look at the quote from Scalem. He is whining about ST now camping mobs which are of value in zones, such as Crypt, NOT Trak in this context. So, Venerate/Castle did the exact same thing, but, people don't care.

The moment ST gets removed from raiding and they go for valuable gearing camps and do the exact same thing as TWO other guilds prior to them, they are called out. It is ironic.

Venerate/Castle should be banned from camping Crypt. Or, maybe they can only stay there until they kill 3 heiro's, and then they must leave or give another group a chance to FTE the 3rd heiro.

No I’m talking about ST specifically having people log on guild alt accounts to sit in camps. They are actively encouraging people to log on other accounts to continue to deny content they otherwise couldn’t block out on their mains.

[Sabin76]

Originally Posted by Inconceivable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, look at the quote from Scalem. He is whining about ST now camping mobs which are of value in zones, such as Crypt, NOT Trak in this context. So, Venerate/Castle did the exact same thing, but, people don't care.

The moment ST gets removed from raiding and they go for valuable gearing camps and do the exact same thing as TWO other guilds prior to them, they are called out. It is ironic.

Venerate/Castle should be banned from camping Crypt. Or, maybe they can only stay there until they kill 3 heiro's, and then they must leave or give another group a chance to FTE the 3rd heiro.

You might want to re-read the post... he wasn't talking about heiro, he was talking about VP key pieces.

[hightension]

Originally Posted by Inconceivable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well... isn't this exactly what Venerate/Castle did for Crypt camp? They locked the entire camp down for like 1 month.

But the moment ST does this it is frowned upon?

Playing devils advocate here, but... doesn't this seem a little hypocritical?

I don't feel like playing this whataboutism strategy is really going to end well for defending ST

[Local]

Originally Posted by hightension [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't feel like playing this whataboutism strategy is really going to end well for defending ST

I dunno, they've been making a lot of brilliant strategic maneuvers of late that have really been paying dividends.

[plzrelax]

Haven’t most of the raiding guilds been pretty been pretty much the same group of people over the years? Just under different characters and tags?

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by plzrelax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haven’t most of the raiding guilds been pretty been pretty much the same group of people over the years? Just under different characters and tags?

Bingo. It's why raiding here has always been shit.