2020 Election MEGAthread

[Jibartik]

I really don't understand the argument with rvw being unconstitutionaly passed, or what.

This is the only argument that I think holds any water with the abortion debate: A prominent argument against the Roe decision is that, in the absence of consensus about when meaningful life begins, it is best to avoid the risk of doing harm

But that isnt what the convo was about anyway, the convo was about how the scotus with 9 is some how inherently better than a scotus of 11.

And aside from "republicans do it better and I want laws to change" the only other argument is "democrats want to abuse the scotus to change laws and legislate" when historically the republicans have 70% more amendments than democrats so I can't find any validity to that argument.

Seems pretty clear what we got here is a "I want my holy side to defeat the godless other side."

But all that would take is for someone to explain to me why a panel of 9 republicans makes more sense than a panel of 4/5 democrats/republicans, unless you're a republican.

[FatherSioux]

If abortion or anything needs to be changed legally it should be voted on and passed in the Legislative Branch by members who are accountable to the electorate. Not the Judicial Branch who shouldn't be beholden to anyone except the Constitution. If the Legislative branch throws together a law that the Judicial branch doesn't think holds water they are doing so because it is poorly written and not possible to uphold. At which point they have the Legislative branch rewrite it and try again. Learn about Civics

RvW bypassed the Legislative Branch precisely because they likely couldn't have garnered the support in the Legislative branch, or were too cowardly to full-on come out in favor of abortion at that time. So they kick the bucket to the Judicial Branch.

PS: 9/9 Republicans do not vote for prayer in school.

[Woke Locc]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PS: 9/9 Republicans do not vote for prayer in school.

Well yes, God is a tyrant after all.

That's kinda the point of republicanism

[hobart]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If abortion or anything needs to be changed legally it should be voted on and passed in the Legislative Branch by members who are accountable to the electorate. Not the Judicial Branch who shouldn't be beholden to anyone except the Constitution. If the Legislative branch throws together a law that the Judicial branch doesn't think holds water they are doing so because it is poorly written and not possible to uphold. At which point they have the Legislative branch rewrite it and try again. Learn about Civics

RvW bypassed the Legislative Branch precisely because they likely couldn't have garnered the support in the Legislative branch, or were too cowardly to full-on come out in favor of abortion at that time. So they kick the bucket to the Judicial Branch.

PS: 9/9 Republicans do not vote for prayer in school.

Your parents need to being legal action against the school district and try to get some of their tax dollars refunded.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If abortion or anything needs to be changed legally it should be voted on and passed in the Legislative Branch by members who are accountable to the electorate. Not the Judicial Branch who shouldn't be beholden to anyone except the Constitution. If the Legislative branch throws together a law that the Judicial branch doesn't think holds water they are doing so because it is poorly written and not possible to uphold. At which point they have the Legislative branch rewrite it and try again. Learn about Civics

RvW bypassed the Legislative Branch precisely because they likely couldn't have garnered the support in the Legislative branch, or were too cowardly to full-on come out in favor of abortion at that time. So they kick the bucket to the Judicial Branch.

Im not sure that's what happened. I think people were trying to pass laws and they took it to their local courts, and they couldn't solve it so it was passed up to the SCOTUS and there they determined it was constitutional and that is how legal precedent works?

Is that not how it happened? anyone got another story that is different?

PS: 9/9 Republicans do not vote for prayer in school.

I mean I get that you guys admit he is a liar but https://time.com/5765829/trump-schoo...-evangelicals/

[FatherSioux]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im not sure that's what happened. I think people were trying to pass laws and they took it to their local courts, and they couldn't solve it so it was passed up to the SCOTUS and there they determined it was constitutional and that is how legal precedent works?

Is that not how it happened? anyone got another story that is different?
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This is exactly why many see RvW as a bad SCOTUS decision.

[Mota]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is that not how it happened? anyone got another story that is different?[/url]

Roe wanted an abortion but Texas law said no abortions, only kolaches. She sued and it went to the supreme court.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is exactly why many see RvW as a bad SCOTUS decision.

You are upset the interpreted the constitution in the favor of the person wanting the abortion, and you've construed that into legislating.

Disappointed none could convince me it was actual fairness that right is after.

[FatherSioux]

The merits of RvW are not why it’s bad. It’s procedural, I’m still not sure you grasp how things are supposed to work.

[Pretzelle]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The merits of RvW are not why it’s bad. It’s procedural, I’m still not sure you grasp how things are supposed to work.

Supposed to work based on whose interpretation? I think RvW is exactly how the SCOTUS is supposed to work.