What Happened To Journalism?

[Topgunben]

99% of the people talking in the media are just saying what their bosses want them to say. That goes for all the major broadcasters. If tomorrow CNN told Don Lemon to denounce Joe Biden as a racist, he would do it.

The only way to get solid information anymore is to do the research yourself, or look at all the information being presented and try to decipher what the truth is.

For the people saying that capitalism incentivizes news companies to present exciting information over truthful information; please consider communist North Korea’s state run media. At least with the news in capitalism, you can change the channel.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Zodium I agree we live in an era of deception. It's been history repeating it self for millenniums.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

Antifa's street-level antagonization of the citizenry during the era of the Weimer Republic where they also held a majority stake in a 5-party parliament is literally what enabled the Nazi party to absorb and consolidate the other 3 parties contesting for seats in parliament where, in a relatively short period of time, the Nazi party went from being a fringe minority party, holding only 5 seats in parliament, to the large majority, and the rest is history.

Antifa didnt "resist" facism, they literally pissed everyone off so much that they created it as a reaction to their bullshit.

[Luigi]

Gwaihir why cant you find a cool avatar?

Look how great topgunbens is

[Topgunben]

Originally Posted by Luigi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gwaihir why cant you find a cool avatar?

Look how great topgunbens is

My avatar kind of looks like Mario from a distance.... kind of.

[Woke Locc]

Originally Posted by PieOats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Deception is FAKE NEWS. Journalism is mostly truthful. This is not contestable.

A lie by omission is still a lie.

feels bad man

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BlackBellamy I said Journalism not Media.

Through out history that have been individuals who have attempted to give it how it is. Maybe they weren't always allowed or didn't get it right but they did what I described in the OP.

If you're that paranoid that every single human on the planet is plugged into the media machine. Than you'll never understand this topic.
There are a lot of sheeple & they hate being called that but there are also free thinkers.

I am in agreeance that media has stolen the term journalism in an attempt to push their agenda.

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Zodium I agree we live in an era of deception. It's been history repeating it self for millenniums.

Journalism is writing for newspapers, websites, television, radio, magazines, I guess podcasts too, it's all media. The preparation and delivery of so-called news is a business. You can call yourself a crusader for truth, the paladin of journalism, the Investigative one, but then you write your big expose on Harvey but they sit on it for months and then kill it because someone upstairs knows Harvey. So you can re-write or shop around.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say journalism is separate from media. One is a process within the other.

You might be thinking of bards.

[Patriam1066]

Nuke Portland, there are very bad people on both sides (unemployed)

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, a person's material conditions are formed by their ideology.



And if you look at the mental/emotional/moral/spiritual (whatever word floats your boat) condition of the United States it is easy to see that the spiritual collapse has occurred first and is the driving force. Marxism is for useful idiots.

Thanks for sharing the link, I remember seeing the video years ago but had forgotten the name of the guy. But even at the time I remember thinking of how prevalent it was at the time, and now its down right frightening how real it is.

Decided to read through the comments though and one in particular stuck with me and pretty much perfectly sums up how I feel about the current situation.

"I first watched this interview (the full 90 minutes) years ago, maybe 2011 or 2012, but it still shocked me how rapidly things were deteriorating. When shit started to hit the fan in 2020 with the pandemic, I was worried about how the year would play out, and knew we'd never go back to the way things were before. Then that video of George Floyd's death exploded, and the US seems to be on the precipice of outright civil war. As of early July it's a relatively small faction of the far left in fairly open revolt, but the frightening thing is that almost nobody seems to realize what's happening.

I've found several people who share my feeling that this shitstorm feels premature - I think the ideological subversion hasn't quite permeated deeply enough yet to reach the critical mass, and the pandemic & economic crisis seems to have blown this brewing revolution into the open before it was ready to happen organically. Might sound crazy to say this in the current moment, but I think we should probably count ourselves fortunate this is happening the way it is now. I think we stand a much better chance of surviving it than we would if it had been able to stew another 10 years or so before blowing open."

[douglas1999]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Journalism is writing for newspapers, websites, television, radio, magazines, I guess podcasts too, it's all media. The preparation and delivery of so-called news is a business. You can call yourself a crusader for truth, the paladin of journalism, the Investigative one, but then you write your big expose on Harvey but they sit on it for months and then kill it because someone upstairs knows Harvey. So you can re-write or shop around.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say journalism is separate from media. One is a process within the other.

You might be thinking of bards.

Your example of why it's bad (harvey was powerful) is an anecdote though. It says nothing about the fact that *different* outlets offer *different* ratios of fact to spin. It's worth figuring out which are more, or less, reliable.

I mean when you have clear cut video of an event happening, and one outlet summarizes essentially what actually happened based on the available video evidence (albeit with their own biased language of course) and another reports the exact opposite despite the video being a control which doesn't change for anyone, it doesn't take much to figure out who is being more honest in that instance. Media is shit broadly, but not all shit is created equal.

[zodium]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's always going to be some sort of power behind the curtain developing and maintaining a system of order and "morality" to govern the affairs of men. Idealizing a fantasy that removing the vase in which the water retains it's shape, or is somehow going to facilitate the water self-organizing to take on a more utopic shape is asinine.

when feudalism was overthrown and “free” capitalist society appeared in the world, it at once became apparent that this freedom meant a new system of oppression and exploitation of the working people. various socialist doctrines immediately emerged as a reflection of and protest against this oppression. early socialism, however, was utopian socialism. it criticised capitalist society, it condemned and damned it, it dreamed of its destruction, it had visions of a better order and endeavoured to convince the rich of the immorality of exploitation.

but utopian socialism could not indicate the real solution. it could not explain the real nature of wage-slavery under capitalism, it could not reveal the laws of capitalist development, or show what social force is capable of becoming the creator of a new society. not a single victory of political freedom over the feudal class was won except against desperate resistance. not a single capitalist country evolved on a more or less free and democratic basis except by a life-and-death struggle between the various classes of capitalist society.

the genius of Marx lies in his having been the first to deduce from this the lesson world history teaches and to apply that lesson consistently. the deduction he made is the doctrine of the class struggle. independent organizations of the proletariat are multiplying all over the world, from america to japan and from sweden to south africa. the proletariat is becoming enlightened and educated by waging its class struggle; it is ridding itself of the prejudices of bourgeois society; it is rallying its ranks ever more closely and is learning to gauge the measure of its successes; it is steeling its forces and is growing irresistibly.