Portland is a mess

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have got to be the bougiest most privileged asshole ever to unironically endorse a completely failed system of organizing society. It has failed over and over, spanning multiple centuries, accross multiple cultures and extremely varied parts of the world. To the extent that some countries are partially capitalist, they succeed in spite of it, not because of it (they succeed because of the socialist elements). Likewise if you want to shit on socialism and actually be honest and consistent about it, you have to first acknowledge the good it does and continues to do. It's very hard to do the same for capitalism, since it has historically resulted in mountains of skulls and mass starvation, and I think there was like one purely capitalist society that existed for all of ten years before collapsing. Any economic system that is almost indistinguishable in concept from rage against the machine lyrics is probably going to be unimaginably simplistic and dumb.

Unless you're just trolling of course in which case gg

[zodium]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have got to be the bougiest most privileged asshole ever to unironically endorse a completely failed system of organizing society. It has failed over and over, spanning multiple centuries, accross multiple cultures and extremely varied parts of the world. To the extent that some countries are partially socialist, they succeed in spite of it, not because of it (they succeed because of the capitalist elements). Likewise if you want to shit on capitalism and actually be honest and consistent about it, you have to first acknowledge the good it does and continues to do. It's very hard to do the same for socialism, since it has historically resulted in mountains of skulls and mass starvation, and I think there was like one purely socialist society that existed for all of ten years before collapsing. Any economic system that is almost indistinguishable in concept from rage against the machine lyrics is probably going to be unimaginably simplistic and dumb.

Unless you're just trolling of course in which case gg

this is what liberals actually believe

eternal lmao

[Trexller]

Well, theres no help or hope for commiefornia, so that ones on them

[Woke Locc]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have got to be the bougiest most privileged asshole ever to unironically endorse a completely failed system of organizing society. It has failed over and over, spanning multiple centuries, accross multiple cultures and extremely varied parts of the world. To the extent that some countries are partially socialist, they succeed in spite of it, not because of it (they succeed because of the capitalist elements). Likewise if you want to shit on capitalism and actually be honest and consistent about it, you have to first acknowledge the good it does and continues to do. It's very hard to do the same for socialism, since it has historically resulted in mountains of skulls and mass starvation, and I think there was like one purely socialist society that existed for all of ten years before collapsing. Any economic system that is almost indistinguishable in concept from rage against the machine lyrics is probably going to be unimaginably simplistic and dumb.

Unless you're just trolling of course in which case gg

[zodium]

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The World as it Should Be!

Zodium is a visionary

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remember memes like this? lol. lmao.

[JurisDictum]

zodium is closer to the truth than the others yes. We have socialized frozen pizza flooding our stores selling under cost, which nobody has said a peeep about so far as I can tell. $2. That's the market holding this thing together, right?

PS the "socialism hasn't worked" thing is really really stupid and tired. "Socialism" layered over a market system, like Imperial Rome (very classically liberal), has a long history. Buying calm from the population has a long history. It's just a Joe Rogan line; it leads into shitting on brown countries so it feels good to say if you are maintaining a poorly-concealed racial animus. But it is meaningless. "Socialism" has been used as a standard tool of coercion in virtually every government since the word was invented. And before. -j

[Lune]

What kind of goof even thinks the US is capitalist? Do you think fair competition really exists between big businesses and each other? Between big businesses and small businesses? Really, the USA is only capitalist in the sense that it is largely controlled by those who live off their wealth, and their capital controls large swathes of our economy and politics. Entire industries propped up by archaic laws and special interests, government-mandated monopolies layered upon monopoly-mandated governance.

Meanwhile, the working class, people like you (in this thread)-- and make no mistake, if you sell your labor to survive, you are working class-- get pitted against each other in the purest form of competition that actually exists in our system: labor vs. labor. Capitalist systems are designed such that wealth creates more wealth in an ever-recursive positive feedback loop. Hell, in the form of venture capitalism and 'angel investment', they even get a cut of and gatekeep every new idea and every innovation that enters the system.

It's really a pretty great paradigm if you're like me and were born rich and never really have to work for any other reason than personal development. Well, great in that people see merit where there isn't any and my inter-generational advantage is maximized. But fucking terrible in all other respects, because it's evil and unjust.

Again: If you sell your labor to survive, you are a peasant, and you are being exploited by capitalists. Those of you peasants who attack other peasants to defend capitalists are an extra layer of sad.

[zodium]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What kind of goof even thinks the US is capitalist? Do you think fair competition really exists between big businesses and each other? Between big businesses and small businesses? Really, the USA is only capitalist in the sense that it is largely controlled by those who live off their wealth, and their capital controls large swathes of our economy and politics. Entire industries propped up by archaic laws and special interests, government-mandated monopolies layered upon monopoly-mandated governance.

Meanwhile, the working class, people like you (in this thread)-- and make no mistake, if you sell your labor to survive, you are working class-- get pitted against each other in the purest form of competition that actually exists in our system: labor vs. labor. Capitalist systems are designed such that wealth creates more wealth in an ever-recursive positive feedback loop. Hell, in the form of venture capitalism and 'angel investment', they even get a cut of and gatekeep every new idea and every innovation that enters the system.

It's really a pretty great paradigm if you're like me and were born rich and never really have to work for any other reason than personal development. Well, great in that people see merit where there isn't any and my inter-generational advantage is maximized. But fucking terrible in all other respects, because it's evil and unjust.

Again: If you sell your labor to survive, you are a peasant, and you are being exploited by capitalists. Those of you peasants who attack other peasants to defend capitalists are an extra layer of sad.

my elf, have u heard about imperialism: the highest stage of capitalism?