CORONAVIRUS Death Thread

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yikes, sounds like someones mad.

Anyways, as I was saying, if we didn't have as many fragile self-centered people who can't fathom that the world doesn't revolve around them, we'd be fine. Maybe, one day, America can actually be great again if we had an educated population with proper support and an economy that isn't so brittle that literally a month of shutdown doesn't completely collapse the system.

Instead, we have the most cases and the most deaths in the world.

It's funny how countries with significantly larger populations than us somehow didn't have these problems [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

Literally all you have to do to hobble this virus is put on a fucking mask and stay out of huge crowds for a couple months and we can't even do that because of the "Jesus will protect me from the virus" crowd that infests this country.

America never was great and never will be. We got really rich for about 60 years because our economy wasn't destroyed in WW2 but we were never more than a glorified South Africa. We have always lacked the social cohesion and civic trust essential to running a modern civilization.

[magnetaress]

Mask sharing is the future.

Be a bro, and ask if someone needs to borrow your mask.

Needs an app.

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, fragile and self centered.

Pretty ironic statement, since fear for you and yours is what drives your support of the shutdown.

Dont give us that shit that you care for randos when you quite literally espouse the " i hope you get covid" trope. Obviously thats false.

One month of shutdown? Another disingenuous trope considering that we're completing 3 months of lockdown in 2 weeks.

3% deathrate was the original claim. Evidence proves its closer to 0.1%.

Flatten the curve was the narrative. The curve flattened 6 weeks ago.

Are you capable of taking an authentic position on anything, at all? Or do you just parrot bullshit, while cheering on the dismantling of the economy throughout all of the post industrial nations in the world.

Do you realize that san mateo county is breaking rabk with the rest of the bay area counties on the lockdown in the next two weeks.

This is where big tech is primarily centralized.

Ill stand by for your new position on the matter in a couple weeks. When youve been reprogrammed with a new view which will inevitably countradict your current position. Douchebag.

Ah there it is, I was waiting for the projection and strawman move. Found it! No one wants a lockdown. Here's my authentic position: if it wasn't for people like you, the lockdown would have lasted significantly less time and we'd be done with it already.

Maybe you're mistaking me with someone else, I certainly never asked you to get corona, just that people with your perspective are genuinely harmful to the country and are only prolonging what should've been an easy thing for our country to do.

Woof.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah there it is, I was waiting for the projection and strawman move. Found it! No one wants a lockdown. Here's my authentic position: if it wasn't for people like you, the lockdown would have lasted significantly less time and we'd be done with it already.

Maybe you're mistaking me with someone else, I certainly never asked you to get corona, just that people with your perspective are genuinely harmful to the country and are only prolonging what should've been an easy thing for our country to do.

Woof.

Didnt go into big crowds.

Didnt do much but shop and chill at home like everyone else.

Project much?

People like you.....

Such a racist stereotype. Care to project more, bitch?

You'd like to think that there's just people out there partying it up in significant numbers, but that just isnt the case. This shelter in place never worked because it was never designed to work against this irrelevent virus. It was designed to kill small business operating on a narrow cash flow basis and concentrate employment into mega corps. Why do y9u think the large majority of forgiveness loans went out to mega corps? Why do you think McDonalds was allowed to continue serving others while private restaurants were ordered to shut down and pay their lease regardless of closed operations?

Ill stand by for your new programming since big tech is apparently over this stay at home shit.

[Sibelia1]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, fragile and self centered.

Pretty ironic statement, since fear for you and yours is what drives your support of the shutdown.

Dont give us that shit that you care for randos when you quite literally espouse the " i hope you get covid" trope. Obviously thats false.

One month of shutdown? Another disingenuous trope considering that we're completing 3 months of lockdown in 2 weeks.

3% deathrate was the original claim. Evidence proves its closer to 0.1%.

Flatten the curve was the narrative. The curve flattened 6 weeks ago.

Are you capable of taking an authentic position on anything, at all? Or do you just parrot bullshit, while cheering on the dismantling of the economy throughout all of the post industrial nations in the world.

Do you realize that san mateo county is breaking rabk with the rest of the bay area counties on the lockdown in the next two weeks.

This is where big tech is primarily centralized.

Ill stand by for your new position on the matter in a couple weeks. When youve been reprogrammed with a new view which will inevitably countradict your current position. Douchebag.

We gave up on flatten the curve. We pivoted to "herd immunity" -- meaning we removed all objective standards of measure of progress from this situation, too. Arguably the "total infections" number is now our measure of progress through the crisis. Higher is better.

Nobody was paying attention to the decision to go this route, because most Americans deserve as much love as Lune spares for them. But that's the new plan since about 2 weeks in. Just FYI. Any actual curve flattening is incidental. Because we are lower than sub-saharan Africa as a community, we are working on getting about 70% of people exposed, right now, and dragging our feet so it doesn't look like The Stand.

Anyone not politically brain-dead is striking, of course, and collecting government money.

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didnt go into big crowds.

Didnt do much but shop and chill at home like everyone else.

Project much?

People like you.....

Such a racist stereotype. Care to project more, bitch?

Ill stand by for your new programming since big tech is apparently over this stay at home shit.

We've achieved full on random spray and pray of incoherent straw grasping, fascinating.

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That article was written in early february before tens of thousands of people died, at that point in time almost no one had it in America and almost no one had died.

Also the article is warning of overly aggressive government response because they tend to lead to racists freaking out and wanting harsh repercussions towards the suspected group that "caused" it (which you can pretty clearly see happening in this thread).

Is context actually important anymore or what? Isn't this exactly the problem with dumb shit like this?

Sorry I failed to provide the context!

Ok here we go:

During mid-January, alarmed at the tone of the quotes I was seeing from virologists and other scientists regarding the new Wuhan virus, I looked into the statistics and took a closer look at the biology. Knowing that like all the other viruses ever it was going to spread, I noted it's high transmissibility and a general sense of urgency from people dealing with it.

I then ordered a case of P100 masks, goggles, gloves, and enough alcohol to fuel a funny car. I received my delivery on Jan 28th and tried on my mask and goggles. I thought it was a good look for me so I took a picture and started this thread:

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Six days later some dumb fuck over at WaPo wrote the article in question. When any reasonable person would have been asking for an aggressive response, he was warning people against it because he was having feelings that something minor might possibly happen. Not because the vaccine or the treatment is dangerous or something real. No, he was scaring people away from supporting a more aggressive response because he imagines demons under his bed.

Anyway, I'm not claiming it's the left or the right. My list was a response to some inane comment that only 'right-wing' people are being tools about the pandemic. Both the left and the right and the center is full of complete idiots who give people bad advice about everything, and to say it's only one side of the political spectrum reveals that person to be hopelessly siloed and brainwashed.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Sibelia1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We gave up on flatten the curve. We pivoted to "herd immunity" -- meaning we removed all objective standards of measure of progress from this situation, too. Nobody was paying attention. But that's the new plan since about 2 weeks in. Just FYI. Any actual curve flattening is incidental. Because we are lower than sub-saharan Africa as a community, we are working on getting about 70% of people exposed, right now, and dragging our feet so it doesn't look like The Stand.

Representative sampling shows about 30% saturation of the entire populace to date. Without 7 months of mortgage furloughed to the back end of every home/commercial real estate loan, and rent/lease forgiveness, slow playing this thing is not a viable position.

Most of the hospitals throughout the country have actually sent the majority of their workforce home and are operating under capacity as it stands. Open the floodgates already.

[Sibelia1]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Representative sampling shows about 30% saturation of the entire populace to date. Without 7 months of mortgage furloughed to the back end of every home/commercial real estate loan, and rent/lease forgiveness, slow playing this thing is not a viable position.

Most of the hospitals throughout the country have actually sent the majority of their workforce home and are operating under capacity as it stands. Open the floodgates already.

The next time I work a job, we will have UBI. God help me. And fuck every working-class person who shirks their responsibility to see the same end. Who rushes out to "do their part" getting sick serving people coffee on their grueling daily way to jobs that should be done remotely. This is the only moment where workers have had leverage and a rallying point in decades and they use their soapbox to beg to get back to servitude. Utter civic disengagement. Treason.

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You'd like to think that there's just people out there partying it up in significant numbers, but that just isnt the case. This shelter in place never worked because it was never designed to work against this irrelevent virus. It was designed to kill small business operating on a narrow cash flow basis and concentrate employment into mega corps. Why do y9u think the large majority of forgiveness loans went out to mega corps? Why do you think McDonalds was allowed to continue serving others while private restaurants were ordered to shut down and pay their lease regardless of closed operations?

No one thinks that.

Why do I think the majority of loans went to mega-corps? Because the government is practically owned by big corporations at this point and both sides are really only in politics to make vast amounts of money for themselves while vaguely parroting their party sentiments enough for people to think they're helping.

Small businesses would've been fine if they were provided adequate federal aid and if the general population was capable of empathy and followed basic precautions they largely could've remained open. My favorite local restaurant had staff cleaning every seat and table after each guest left, seated guests sufficiently apart, wore masks and gloves when providing people food, and kept a reasonable distance from patrons at all times. They absolutely could've remained open and just continued those efforts. It would've still been a hit, but with adequate aid and safety precautions allowing them to stay open as long as people abide by them they'd sure be in a better position now.

My point was that its going to rage on longer because people won't adhere to these precautions, that every day there's some fucking rally of people protesting against lockdown it only perpetuates the lockdown, and if people took it seriously and quarantined immediately, if the government took it seriously and started ramping up testing and contact tracing and could isolate areas that had it to prevent the spread, this could've been handled significantly more quickly, with fewer bailouts needed, less unemployment, and less death.