Here's the real problem

[Silverfalcon]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well to do that wouldn't make sense. I'm also not sure why you're so aggressive. They have their lives and you and I have hours. If they want to do that with all their time, then that's their choice. I would encourage them not to worry about those things, but it's a bit of a different situation because, again, they can worry about those things if they want to because they have the free time.

You and I have limited play time. We can't control that. EQ is an old school MMO that requires a lot of time if you want to be BIS everything, have tons of max level characters, hundreds of thousands of plat, etc. It requires that regardless of what other people do. All those other people could stop playing altogether and it would still require a TON of time to accomplish all those things. It's the nature of the game. So if you have limited play time, as you and I do, we have two choices: (i) play a different game, or (ii) enjoy the time in-game that we have and not focus on min/maxing, BIS, how rich we are in game, etc. etc.

As I said you would never call out the mega guilds with the same reasoning you want to apply to casual players. Telling them to enjoy the game instead of worrying about loots and plat. You want to tell people who are casual play...you only get crumbs and be happy with it peasant.

Nice job doing exactly what I said you would do.

[Evets]

Hmm I work 10 hours a day 5 days a week and have a great life for the most part away from EQ. I was able to make friends, form groups and join a good guild and level after work/on some weekend time. Granted it took awhile longer than the neckbeard powergamer but I'm level 50 with almost the best gear for my class (missing dragon loots)

With the server merge I think grouping should be even easier than it was before...

[Dremias]

Originally Posted by Silverfalcon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know what's funny about this. Everyone always says this to the people who don't have the time to camp all day long. Why don't you take this same shitty reasoning you want to apply to casual players and apply it to the mega guilds and the people who are already 50. Tell them pricks who camp 24/7 to not worry about money and loot and enjoy the journey instead of sitting on camps all damn day....But you don't nor will your ever.

You are exactly right. These people camping all day(even camping mobs that give them zero exp) should consider the other players and help build the community by being considerate of other players. The main problem I see is many of the people doing this just want to take control of the game and horde it.

Sadly, this will end up making people like Silverfalcon and myself leave the game. Instead of building a solid community which would result in some awesome role playing, we have the elite pricks with no life outside of P99 that ruin the experience for old school players like me. This is going to sound ugly, but understand I am making a point, I have a wife, children, a full time job, and events I attend for my family therefore unlike the basement dork, I can't wait all day to camp a mob.

[mcoy]

I haven't had an issue finding things to kill outside of the "hotspot" areas. Last night with ~1400 people on I saw 5 people in NK. There's a wide level range of mobs to kill in that zone - I remember running around targeting specific species of grif(fawns/fennnes/fons) at various levels.

Back in the day, I remember a "good" day playing EQ was one where I didn't camp out with less xp than I logged in with. Sometimes a play session was spent just working on tradeskills, or collecting quest items. I remember exploring dungeons and not knowing what mobs were where because everything would typically be dead in the popular zones.

Do some exploring (and avoid the wiki guides that everyone else is reading) and you'll find things to kill. If you die - shoot me a tell if I'm on (or a PM if I'm not) and I'm happy to run to wherever you've bitten the dust when I can get online.

-Mcoy

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Silverfalcon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I said you would never call out the mega guilds with the same reasoning you want to apply to casual players. Telling them to enjoy the game instead of worrying about loots and plat. You want to tell people who are casual play...you only get crumbs and be happy with it peasant.

Nice job doing exactly what I said you would do.

So because someone, for instance, works from home and is single with no kids they should just not do anything in game? So that you can do whatever you want whenever you want?

I really don't see the logic there. And again, even if they did, you still wouldn't make much progression with limited play time because EQ is a game that takes hours upon hours to get what you apparently want (I'm assuming loads of plat, multiple max levels decked out in BIS, etc.).

So, again, when we have limited play time we could either play another game (if BIS everything, loads of currency, etc. are important factors to us), or enjoy playing the game with the limited time we have and be focused on the journey and fun rather than the overall result. I enjoy playing EverQuest and being in Norrath, even if that's grinding on mobs in some random zone without much loot or a ZEM.

[Doktoor]

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine growing up with a dweebish father who is too focused on getting 20 year old elf boots than spending time with you.

Do you have kids?

Kids turn into teenagers and then they do their own thing.

Did you spend hours every night hanging out with your parents when you were 16? I sure didn't...

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Dremias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are exactly right. These people camping all day(even camping mobs that give them zero exp) should consider the other players and help build the community by being considerate of other players. The main problem I see is many of the people doing this just want to take control of the game and horde it.

Sadly, this will end up making people like Silverfalcon and myself leave the game. Instead of building a solid community which would result in some awesome role playing, we have the elite pricks with no life outside of P99 that ruin the experience for old school players like me. This is going to sound ugly, but understand I am making a point, I have a wife, children, a full time job, and events I attend for my family therefore unlike the basement dork, I can't wait all day to camp a mob.

Again, that's great you have all these things.

Some people don't, this is their thing. Then you come in demanding instant access to things with your little spot of time that they've been sitting at for hours every day.

Not that I'm without family, friends, a career etc - but recognize that.

[Horza]

Think of all the poor autists like Nirgon, this server is all they've got.

[Skarne]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, that's great you have all these things.

Some people don't, this is their thing. Then you come in demanding instant access to things with your little spot of time that they've been sitting at for hours every day.

Not that I'm without family, friends, a career etc - but recognize that.

I applaud this response. First time I’ve seen some semblance of maturity from you on the forums.

[Silverfalcon]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So because someone, for instance, works from home and is single with no kids they should just not do anything in game? So that you can do whatever you want whenever you want?

I really don't see the logic there. And again, even if they did, you still wouldn't make much progression with limited play time because EQ is a game that takes hours upon hours to get what you apparently want (I'm assuming loads of plat, multiple max levels decked out in BIS, etc.).

So, again, when we have limited play time we could either play another game (if BIS everything, loads of currency, etc. are important factors to us), or enjoy playing the game with the limited time we have and be focused on the journey and fun rather than the overall result. I enjoy playing EverQuest and being in Norrath, even if that's grinding on mobs in some random zone without much loot or a ZEM.

See again you want to tell me with limited time to not enjoy the whole game but stick with the small part of the game and not worry about the rest of it. Apply your logic to mega guilds and the people who are level 50 already on green.

I shouldn't have to wait on level 50s camping the AC, Oggie chief in WK, or alchemist in perma when I am level appropraite trying to get the items I actually need. Why exactly should I pay a level 50 who already is fully geared for an item I can get myself and he doesn't need but wants to make plat off me because my opporutnity to get the item is nil because its being camped nonstop by high level players? Explaoin to me how this is good for the game period.