"Need before greed"

[bum3]

If you get item and sell it to upgrade the character you're on, that isn't greed. Getting the item and selling it to equip an alt is. Games like EQ and other MMOs and their origins of DnD and other pen and papers is designed so that character is you.. the people you play with on that toon are playing with that character not your split personalities. Problem is... greed randoms almost always go to different personalities at some point and not the character you are getting the item on. That's why it was dubbed greed. That being said when you join a group and they say its all randoms no nbg. Then you choose to stay and abide by it. If you don't like it, leave the group. Same in reverse. You join a guild group of 5 and they say nbg... and you throw a fit. That is your problem. The 5 don't need you. They were doing it before you asked to join them. They were just spreading the love of exp all over your face.

[GuiltyLight]

Originally Posted by bum3 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you get item and sell it to upgrade the character you're on, that isn't greed.

... yes. Yes it is. There is no actual difference between you wanting to not spend money on the item and then get money from selling it later, and other people rolling on it to sell it in the tunnel. It's all greed.

If a good item drops, no one needs it. There's no such thing as needing an item. Everyone wants it because everyone is greedy. Because it's going to make them more powerful or get the more platinum or make them look fabulous. It's greed. Who can equip it is irrelevant.

Also what are you talking about about how that character is you? It's a video game. Even D&D is just a role-playing game, and an MMO is a pretty far cry from a pencil and paper RPG to begin with. Shaniqua the wood elf Ranger doesn't exist. And her player doesn't need that fbss any more than anyone else in the group does.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by GuiltyLight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... yes. Yes it is. There is no actual difference between you wanting to not spend money on the item and then get money from selling it later, and other people rolling on it to sell it in the tunnel. It's all greed.

If a good item drops, no one needs it. There's no such thing as needing an item. Everyone wants it because everyone is greedy. Because it's going to make them more powerful or get the more platinum or make them look fabulous. It's greed. Who can equip it is irrelevant.

Also what are you talking about about how that character is you? It's a video game. Even D&D is just a role-playing game, and an MMO is a pretty far cry from a pencil and paper RPG to begin with. Shaniqua the wood elf Ranger doesn't exist. And her player doesn't need that fbss any more than anyone else in the group does.

Nobody needs anything in a video game but want isnt the same as greed. And nobody needs anything in real life either, not even water. You'll just die without it.

[GuiltyLight]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Want isnt the same as greed.

...... Yea. It is.

[bum3]

Originally Posted by GuiltyLight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...... Yea. It is.

Absolutely.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by GuiltyLight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...... Yea. It is.

No its not. You can want something then trade it for a reasonable price instead of trying to get as much as you possibly can.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by GuiltyLight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... yes. Yes it is. There is no actual difference between you wanting to not spend money on the item and then get money from selling it later, and other people rolling on it to sell it in the tunnel. It's all greed.

If a good item drops, no one needs it. There's no such thing as needing an item. Everyone wants it because everyone is greedy. Because it's going to make them more powerful or get the more platinum or make them look fabulous. It's greed. Who can equip it is irrelevant.

Also what are you talking about about how that character is you? It's a video game. Even D&D is just a role-playing game, and an MMO is a pretty far cry from a pencil and paper RPG to begin with. Shaniqua the wood elf Ranger doesn't exist. And her player doesn't need that fbss any more than anyone else in the group does.

I don't think it's greed if you need the item at the time and use it and then sell it later though...

[GuiltyLight]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think it's greed if you need the item at the time and use it and then sell it later though...

Explain to me how it is any functionally different to equip an item right then or to sell it and get something you want. Explain to me how everyone rolling on everything in pick up groups is in any way not the best, most fair method for distributing loot, while simultaneously avoiding all of the scam artists and hypocrisies of nbg.

Everything is greed. There is no such thing as need in-game, and wanting an item for any reason is greed. Just because you want to think of greed as a negative word doesn't change anything.

Now if you're with a group of friends or guildmates, that's one thing. Although even that in a way is greed because you want the people you ride with to become stronger, so you can get more stuff. But a bunch of just random strangers? I don't trust any of them. And none of them need the worth of an item more than I do, and vice versa.

[GuiltyLight]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No its not. You can want something then trade it for a reasonable price instead of trying to get as much as you possibly can.

You're just being greedy with your time more than your money at that point.

[gundumbwing]

Putting the weird and teenage angst riddled posts of the OP aside, "Greed" IS the absolute fairest loot distribution in EQ. A few of you seem to be getting tunnel vision over the concept of NBG and losing sight on the looting mechanics of the game you are playing.

NBG only makes sense in MMOs where almost all wanted items are bound and unsellable upon looting, like WoW. A NBG system works well to fairly distribute said bound loot. And usually in these MMO's there are rare and valuable drops that aren't bound on loot. These items are almost always Greeded in groups because they can be traded with anyone and thus be sold for likely a good chunk of change so it's fair to everyone, even if a group member wanted it for a upgrade.

NBG doesn't make sense in an MMO where almost all wanted items can be looted and traded at will, like EQ. Almost Every single item in the game has lucrative value to every single group member whether it be monetary or character building. Platinum in EQ can directly correlate to character strength, so it's generally more fair to use the "greed" rule. NBG in EQ is just another weapon in a neckbeards aresnal to shriek in your group chat about fairness while leveling his 5th alt.

That being said, my personal experience on teal has been mostly NBG through these lower levels with large PP items being agreed to /random. EQ is a strange beast.