Impeaching President Trump

[BallzDeep]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Withholding congressionally approved aid in order to dig up dirt on your political rival is hardly something that is commonplace.

So it isn't commonplace to investigate when a crime is possibly committed, got it. That's an issue with your whole phrase. "Dig up dirt." He shouldn't have dirt. I'd argue Trump has been extensively vetted and more so then Biden. If the biggest dirt you have on Trump is hes looking into dirt on Biden that could possibly be true, it's just that fact you don't like he's looking into dirt and possible corruption. "Dirt" as you so put it, should be looked into.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

There could be dirt in his tax returns. But he wont release them.

If the only defense of this is "Why should he" then it seems we are in a whole new realm here.

He is the most powerful man arguably in the world now. If the worst thing people are asking him to do is show such a mundane item as tax returns I dont see the problem.

I mean you say he has commited no crimes and isnt corrupt. This will surely verify that beyond a shadow of a doubt yes? I fail to see a downside of releasing them.

[BallzDeep]

Originally Posted by Hoppkins_Wytchfinder [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There could be dirt in his tax returns. But he wont release them.

If the only defense of this is "Why should he" then it seems we are in a whole new realm here.

He is the most powerful man arguably in the world now. If the worst thing people are asking him to do is show such a mundane item as tax returns I dont see the problem.

I mean you say he has commited no crimes and isnt corrupt. This will surely verify that beyond a shadow of a doubt yes? I fail to see a downside of releasing them.

I'm just curious as how many roads we have to go down until you finally get some evidence. I'm tired of "try every avenue until we get something that can stick." That in itself is a worse precedent to set than Trump evading taxes in my opinion. There are certainly things I would condemn Trump for but a wild goose chase on Russia, misogyny, racism, Ukraine, his tax returns, it goes on and on.

Hence my comment to Horza earlier about Trump being nailed to a cross for our sins. The joke sucks and doesn't have much relevance. Someone who hates Trump sees it and thinks it's hilarious and applies perfectly to his situation. It doesn't. You are are searching for reasons to hate the guy based on some hate fueled bias from the media. You literally don't even know what he's like besides through some third party.

Why this is a bad example is simple. You are not required to submit your tax returns. What you do for your own personal business might not relate to policy and it is wrong from someone to attempt to use that as a counterpoint if you have utilized tax laws to your advantage. It means you know the law. When it comes to investigating corruption, it is completely logical and within your power to hold money until you can get to the bottom of an issue. As I said, just because you are looking into someone from the other political party that might be corrupt, doesn't mean you are violating the law unless you hold it as a threat.

[mmmroo]

Originally Posted by tsuchang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have to impeach him to find out why he deserves it.

Just forget the impeachment, and get ready for a 2020 Trump presidency. Too many Russian conspiracy theories and Ukrainian nonsense that backfire to only strengthen his base and destroy his opponents (Biden).

[Khorza]

Everyone in this thread: "There couldn't possibly be quid pro quo because Trump released the aid before anyone even cared about any of this."

Trump Knew There Was a Whistleblower When He Suddenly Released Military Aid to Ukraine

Uh oh! I wonder what the new spin will be now...

[Domo]

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[Khorza]

Originally Posted by BallzDeep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just curious as how many roads we have to go down until you finally get some evidence.

There's mountains of evidence of the illegalities of the Trump administration, the problem is that half of the country is currently covering their eyes while yelling loudly.

This dude is such a criminal that at any time of the day there's always new evidence of fraud being uncovered and reported. That one was 3 hours ago.

[mmmroo]

Originally Posted by Khorza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's mountains of evidence of the illegalities of the Trump administration, the problem is that half of the country is currently covering their eyes while yelling loudly.

This dude is such a criminal that at any time of the day there's always new evidence of fraud being uncovered and reported. That one was 3 hours ago.

The tears when Trump wins in 2020 are going to be enormous, might even spark civil unrest.

[Horza]

Originally Posted by BallzDeep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hence my comment to Horza earlier about Trump being nailed to a cross for our sins. The joke sucks and doesn't have much relevance. Someone who hates Trump sees it and thinks it's hilarious and applies perfectly to his situation. It doesn't. You are are searching for reasons to hate the guy based on some hate fueled bias from the media.

The joke is that your apparent messiah's crucifixion is entirely self-inflicted, what with the admitting to serious crimes on national television and frequently associating with other criminals. There's no need to angrily lash out just because the joke went over your head.

[Horza]

Rudy Giuliani negotiated this year to represent Ukraine’s top prosecutor for at least $200,000 at the same time they together sought to dig up dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden.