Enchanter charm isn't classic, we all know this

[TheRusty]

It's almost as if twenty years of people working to min-max playing this game has generated levels of efficiency and effectiveness that nobody would have guessed back in 1999.

You know.

Back when people were stacking Wisdom on Warriors to get that magic resist up, 'cause "that's how it works in D&D"

[cd288]

Originally Posted by TheRusty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's almost as if twenty years of people working to min-max playing this game has generated levels of efficiency and effectiveness that nobody would have guessed back in 1999.

You know.

Back when people were stacking Wisdom on Warriors to get that magic resist up, 'cause "that's how it works in D&D"

lmao

[Bazia]

nobody did that you can see your own resist

[bum3]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, it's like saying Bards were AoEing 50+ mobs in OT and not letting anyone else XP on live ... or saying that they would have, if they weren't so stupid back then. They weren't stupid, and they weren't monopolizing OT: whatever classic evidence everyone may have presented to say "Bards can totally AoE 50+ mobs", a critical detail was missing, because it absolutely was not classic.

Hahha yeah.. guides stopped that crap fast on Tunare. Anytime it unfairly impeded exp of groups or ran a mob over someone and they died. It was stopped. My father-in-law was warned twice, banned for a week, and was allowed to kite no more than 5 mobs at a time in OT.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How can you possibly say that with a straight face? Enchanters weren't even a DPS class on live. They are the best DPS class here.

Under anyone's definition of "reflecting what the class was on live", it's painfully obvious P99 doesn't reflect it ... to anyone who actually played on live back then at least.

Again, it's like saying Bards were AoEing 50+ mobs in OT and not letting anyone else XP on live ... or saying that they would have, if they weren't so stupid back then. They weren't stupid, and they weren't monopolizing OT: whatever classic evidence everyone may have presented to say "Bards can totally AoE 50+ mobs", a critical detail was missing, because it absolutely was not classic.

And Bards on P99 DID get nerfed to a 25-mob maximum!

Meanwhile, Enchanters Charm has remained untouched!

[Wurl]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dozens huh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Get to work on evidence (got mine) not feels

Do your research, get some evidence, THEN post mate

[loramin]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They were able to be, people just weren't familiar enough with the class to use them as such whether due to simple worry about dealing with Charm breaks and/or not realizing truly how good Charm DPS was. Knowledge took longer to spread back then, you didn't have the uber data mining and parsing that goes on today where every single player in the game would know within like a weak how good Charm DPS was.

Let's put this in context shall we? I played a Shaman. We had the Shaman's Crucible forum, where we discussed things like "cann-dancing". If you're not familiar with the term, it means meditating, waiting for the game to synchronize over the network with the server, then standing, casting, and sitting back down again before another synchronization point.

Now, you're going to try and tell me that Enchanter players, who had their own forum to discuss strategies and tactics, and who were every bit as smart as Shaman ... couldn't figure out that it was a good thing to cast one of their spells?

Again, I completely understand that players today have far greater knowledge today than players back then. But you're stretching the "they were just dumb back then" argument entirely too far: it can't possibly explains the discrepancy.

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The ability was there. Saying Enchanters need to be nerfed simply because people didn't use the ability as frequently or as optimally as they have learned to do is just such a stupid argument.

That's not my argument. My argument was that if there was a viable, not overly complex (and also awesome) way for players to solo well and do more damage than any other player in the game ... they wouldn't have just failed to notice that, even though it was 1999.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nobody did that you can see your own resist

People absolutely did that. Also stacking AGI to increase the chance for an enemy to miss

[azeth]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, I completely understand that players today have far greater knowledge today than players back then. But you're stretching the "they were just dumb back then" argument entirely too far: it can't possibly explains the discrepancy.

This is ignorant. The demographic of EverQuest players in 1999 was majority likely under 20 years old, additionally exposed to their first jaunt into a D&D based MMO. There is absolutely no comparison to p99s player base.

I'd wager 99/100 EQ players were objectively total fucking morons in terms of game mechanics

[loramin]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is ignorant. The demographic of EverQuest players in 1999 was majority likely under 20 years old, additionally exposed to their first jaunt into a D&D based MMO. There is absolutely no comparison to p99s player base.

I'd wager 99/100 EQ players were objectively total fucking morons in terms of game mechanics

Did you just completely not read my entire point about all of us Shaman knowing how to Cann-dance back then?