Can we talk about Green UI?

[Xer0]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're vastly underestimated the ease and viability of converting a full-screen UI mode designed for like 1024x768 max (or maybe 1280x1024?) to a 100% viewport-based UI with panes on it, which works even on giant 1920x1600 or larger resolutions.

Or if I'm wrong, make a mock up. I don't even mean spend all the time and effort our volunteer team did, I mean just get Paint or Photoshop or whatever and make a version of the UI that looks like what you want.

Then make one for every other resolution people commonly play at these days, share all of them, and if you can pull it off I personally will be convinced and take your side [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're literally ignoring the bits where both they and I admit that since it's not feasible to literally recreate it, that they could simply bridge the gap between that and what is available presently-- make the Bank/trade/spellbook cohesive with the spellbar/hotkeys/inventory etc.

[kylok]

Originally Posted by Xer0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah seems funny to me that they are expending effort implementing the current iteration that most people don't care that much for when they could simply add texturing to the background of the UI elements to at least give them a similar look.

Again, the bank, trade, spellbook, char creation all are wonderful-- Now if they'd replicate that for the remainder of the elements, rather than focusing on "f10 classic" I think there are very few who would have any cause for complaint. The textured buttons on the sleek transparent background look silly. The textured windows mentioned above next to the untextured inventory etc; look like ass.

the titanium-era ui is preferable to this mish mash of "classic transparent" that is currently in use.

I don't believe this is correct - in fact quite the opposite. If the marble UI were available and it were forced without the f10 full screen option I think THAT would be not cared for by most players. I believe most of us would like to have it as an option... but few would use it full time.

[Wenai]

Originally Posted by Xer0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah seems funny to me that they are expending effort implementing the current iteration that most people don't care that much for when they could simply add texturing to the background of the UI elements to at least give them a similar look.

Again, the bank, trade, spellbook, char creation all are wonderful-- Now if they'd replicate that for the remainder of the elements, rather than focusing on "f10 classic" I think there are very few who would have any cause for complaint. The textured buttons on the sleek transparent background look silly. The textured windows mentioned above next to the untextured inventory etc; look like ass.

the titanium-era ui is preferable to this mish mash of "classic transparent" that is currently in use.

It is not a mish-mash. The Velious UI did not have assets for everything, and it used the marble assets for a lot of stuff (the stuff we have implemented; except we are missing a few windows like Merchant, Trade). This is not a stylistic or lazy approach. It is literally a re-creation using source screenshots in each case. And in some cases even using the Trilogy client itself to figure it out.

[Xer0]

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is not a mish-mash. The Velious UI did not have assets for everything, and it used the marble assets for a lot of stuff (the stuff we have implemented; except we are missing a few windows like Merchant, Trade). This is not a stylistic or lazy approach. It is literally a re-creation using source screenshots in each case. And in some cases even using the Trilogy client itself to figure it out.

right, but since they don't wish to expend the energy required to bridge the gap, simply adopt a currently existing user interface for any number of sites that act as depositories for UI.


They are either truly recreating classic, or they aren't; and since they admittedly aren't, why enforce rules so they can pretend they are?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Xer0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all I'm saying is that there should be some consistency. In the current UI there are excellent examples of UI elements that bridge the gap between classic-stone and the current iteration.. but to disallow the usage of UI files that would allow their implementation? it's silly.

Again:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you thinking that by insulting them you'll convince the (again, 100% volunteers) who made the current Green UI to throw it out, and

... change a few UI windows to have a marble background?

So this giant pages-long rant isn't about Vert or Duxa: you're just insulting everyone involved with the entire project because you think that will convince them to make some windows, that didn't have marble in classic, have it on Green (even though everything about Green is about trying to be as classic as possible)?

[Xer0]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again:



... change a few UI windows to have a marble background?

So this giant pages-long rant isn't about Vert or Duxa: you're just insulting everyone involved with the entire project because you think that will convince them to make some windows, that didn't have marble in classic, have them on Green?

if people are getting offended by the fact that some people aren't 100% thrilled by the current iteration, that's a personal problem on them.

The simple fact is they literally cannot or will not recreate classic eq-- It has been stated.

so why implement rules which bar those who do not like the "alternative classic UI" so they can pretend they ARE fully recreating classic?

[Ivory]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're vastly underestimated the ease and viability of converting a full-screen UI mode designed for like 1024x768 max (or maybe 1280x1024?) into a 100% full-visible area UI with panes on it, which works even on giant 1920x1600 or larger resolutions.

Imma artist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I could do it....just gotta know what pieces is needed.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Xer0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if people are getting offended by the fact that some people aren't 100% thrilled by the current iteration, that's a personal problem on them.

Do you even remember what you wrote?

Originally Posted by Xer0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That being said, the current UI is garbage. The farthest thing from Classic that I can possibly imagine. In fact it calls to mind my time during Luclin.

That was your very first post in this thread. You seriously think that if the volunteers ... who spent (collectively) hundreds of hours working on this new UI, doing their absolute best to make it as classic as possible, even though everything in Titanium was fighting them on it ... think that's rude, that they have a personal problem?

Really?

[Xer0]

Originally Posted by Xer0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if people are getting offended by the fact that some people aren't 100% thrilled by the current iteration, that's a personal problem on them.

The simple fact is they literally cannot or will not recreate classic eq-- It has been stated.

so why implement rules which bar those who do not like the "alternative classic UI" so they can pretend they ARE fully recreating classic?

The point I'm making is that they are admittedly expending effort into a "next best thing" alternative since the primary classic UI allegedly "isn't capable" of being recreated-- So again, rules are being enforced to keep it classic when it's not even a truly classic recreation.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you even remember what you wrote?



That was your very first post in this thread. You seriously think that if the volunteers ... who spent (collectively) hundreds of hours working on this new UI, doing their absolute best to make it as classic as possible, even though everything in Titanium was fighting them on it ... think that's rude, that they have a personal problem?

Really?

if they take personal offense of my reasonably held opinion? yes. I'm clearly not the only one who takes issue with this UI since it's been mentioned more than once in this thread that this topic comes up rather often and I've seen a couple others mention it in the discord channel since I joined just a couple hours ago.

[ldgo86]

Originally Posted by Xer0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if people are getting offended by the fact that some people aren't 100% thrilled by the current iteration, that's a personal problem on them.

The simple fact is they literally cannot or will not recreate classic eq-- It has been stated.

so why implement rules which bar those who do not like the "alternative classic UI" so they can pretend they ARE fully recreating classic?

They are recreating something classic sorry it’s not exactly what you want /facepalm