Green should disallow GINA

[solleks]

is GINA a nice old lady or a hooker? it's hard to say from the name alone.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by bwe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

gina is hilariously not in the spirit of classic eq

This is what it comes down. We're starting Green without damned mana numbers in the UI because classic but these guys want to argue that third party overlays giving them incredibly detailed ability countdowns and buff timers and all kinds of stuff shouldn't be seen as not classic.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Trollhide [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

itt: a bunch of purported adults are real fuckin' concerned about the specifics of the manner in which a bunch of other purported adults choose to play a 20 year old video game.

The absolute firstest of first world problems.

1) GINA provides enormous gameplay advantages
2) EQ inherently has a competitive component, in that players must compete for a limited number of spawns of the most contested mobs
3) It follows that players who do not use GINA are competitively disadvantaged compared to those who do
4) Since GINA is grossly unclassic, players are essentially being forced to sacrifice classic gameplay if they want to compete for highly contested spawns

Given that LITERALLY THE ENTIRE PURPOSE of the Green server is to create an experience of classic EQ as close as possible to the original, how can GINA on Green be reasonably defended by anyone? Leave it on Blue, no one cares. But why allow something so grossly unclassic on a server that is going to great lengths to be as classic as possible? It makes no sense.

[kylok]

So... I don't use this program. But, how much of an advantage do you feel that it provides? What content can be done with it that could not be done without it?

[aaezil]

You dont need it to play if you actually read the screen or have a feel for how long buffs last (most old time players do)

Its kind of a gimmicky crutch for bad players mostly

[Trollhide]

Here's what GINA provides in a nutshell:

It shows a timer of Vox / Nagafen AoE that they cast every 12(?) seconds.

Raid leader guy on discord calls out this timer in voice chat

Any raid members using GINA also have a visual of the timer

50% of the raid ignores the timer & call anyway and eats the AoE



Literally the same thing can be accomplished by counting 1-Mississippi, 2-Mississippi... 12-Mississippi

[kylok]

Originally Posted by Trollhide [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's what GINA provides in a nutshell:

It shows a timer of Vox / Nagafen AoE that they cast every 12(?) seconds.

Raid leader guy on discord calls out this timer in voice chat

Any raid members using GINA also have a visual of the timer

50% of the raid ignores the timer & call anyway and eats the AoE



Literally the same thing can be accomplished by counting 1-Mississippi, 2-Mississippi... 12-Mississippi

That's about what I figured... not sure why people are so upset about parsers and graphs...

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by kylok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's about what I figured... not sure why people are so upset about parsers and graphs...

Some of us have made the argument that Discord and voice shouldn't be there for Green. Can't really enforce it. Again, why are people upset? if this is a genuine question then ask yourself why the devs here are going to such lengths to recreate the classic experience of original EQ.

Here, using 2019 tools to dominate a 1999 game that didn't have to take any of this into consideration in its game design as these things didn't exist. You can't have anything close, because exact is not possible, by bending and giving way to it just because.

A few times now I have responded to someone in these kinds of threads because they are not sure why people are upset about something so trivial. I suppose its one of those things that you get or you don't, you care or you don't and it just can't be helped otherwise.

Edit: In B4 someone asks why I am not using a computer from 1999 and a dial up service. It has been a defensive come back argument for these opinions. A quality CRT monitor would display EQ better and be what was used, I don't have one of those anymore.

[meritt]

Some of us have made the argument that Discord and voice shouldn't be there for Green

Why would you make that argument though? I used RogerWilco in 1999 for voice chat.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by meritt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would you make that argument though? I used RogerWilco in 1999 for voice chat.

You used Rogerwilco for EQ voice chat?

Reasons. trying to run an extra program on a single core cpu while running an intensive game..

..you know what? Balor is right. This will not be resolved. No one I played with used voice, no one in my guild used it or asked others to. I don't remember people in my groups asking if others used something like Roger Wilco. So for me its not recognizable.

For you it is. Since you used it then it is your classic experience (assuming you used it for EQ with your group mates/guild)

Discord though is not just voice. You can do a lot of interesting things with it, such as automated bot timers. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]