Green should disallow GINA

[Trollhide]

There's only one way to stop this egregious abuse of basic information:

Make the client TRULY classic: full-screen only, crashes when you alt-tab.

[GnomeCaptain]

Agree with OP.

Ban GINA.

And if we can ban voice comms please do.

It's about as far from classic as possible.

[Nagoya]

Originally Posted by Ashenden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love that when people disagree with a change they take it to the absolute extreme via things like resolution and internet speed to try and make it sound dumb.

Is there a name for that kind of argument?

maybe an Association fallacy; the guy wants to remove something that didn't exist in 1999, so people pitch other stuff that didn't exist in 1999 (good internet, good computers) to make him look stupid.

honestly Baler for such a #classic champion, you're disappointing here.
if "some programs" existed in 1999 also to do similar things, then use these programs. GINA is not classic, and there is no way you can defend this.

and i'll pitch an association fallacy in there because we're having fun:

if you're defending GINA as something classic that we should be able to use in 2019, then you're defending the compass (we could use something similar in 99!), the Ctrl+M maps (we all had maps in 99!) and everything else you're fighting against.

GINA did not exist in 1999 and is not classic, period.
if other classic tools existed at the time, then use these classic tools.

my2¢

[Trollhide]

Originally Posted by Nagoya [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe an Association fallacy; the guy wants to remove something that didn't exist in 1999, so people pitch other stuff that didn't exist in 1999 (good internet, good computers) to make him look stupid.

honestly Baler for such a #classic champion, you're disappointing here.
if "some programs" existed in 1999 also to do similar things, then use these programs. GINA is not classic, and there is no way you can defend this.

and i'll pitch an association fallacy in there because we're having fun:

if you're defending GINA as something classic that we should be able to use in 2019, then you're defending the compass (we could use something similar in 99!), the Ctrl+M maps (we all had maps in 99!) and everything else you're fighting against.

GINA did not exist in 1999 and is not classic, period.
if other classic tools existed at the time, then use these classic tools.

my2¢

What if we got a Rain Man playin EQ that can just read the chat window and immediately calculate all the information GINA provides in his head - should he be banned from playing EQ?

All it's doing is aggregating freely available information.

[Baler]

here's an extreme
Project 1999 didn't exist during classic, therefor not classic.

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[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Trollhide [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if we got a Rain Man playin EQ that can just read the chat window and immediately calculate all the information GINA provides in his head - should he be banned from playing EQ?

All it's doing is aggregating freely available information.

Stop trying to equate thinking with using third party programs, it's asinine.

[kylok]

What if a smarty pants person were able to code something from scratch? Would that be allowed?

[Baler]

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's like the unclassicest thing ever

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[Vexenu]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to ban GINA on Green but continue to allow it on Blue, much like the pet window. I think everyone knows it's grossly unclassic, but people will defend it to death simply because of the enormous advantage it provides to the player (which is pretty obvious, right? If it wasn't a huge deal then people wouldn't really care if it went away or not).

Keep quality of life allowances on Blue, keep Green as pure as possible in regards to the classic feel. (And yes, I understand log readers were around in classic, but it's much like how boxing was around back then as well - in both cases neither were nearly as prevalent as they are now. And so the staff enforces a rule against boxing in order to preserve a classic experience, even though boxing was technically classic. It's the same with GINA/log readers).

[Baler]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to ban GINA

You don't realize what you're saying.