DPS War - Yes/No

[Mardur]

Originally Posted by Dravingar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WTS 7 gram rocks. Highest I've ever really seen DPS wise is like 280-300 as a 60 rogue with duelist.

Lots of angry rogues in this thread.

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I think my highest was around 380-390, I'm no where near max level, and my gear isn't optimal. 400-500 isn't impossible at all.

I normally put out 85ish dps, plus a boost from Mighty Strike whenever it's up puts me at probably just under 100ish dps average. Most pug monk/rogues were only averaging like 60 dps. Geared rogues like Enorm would obviously out-dps me @ about 120 average but it was pretty rare to group with people who could outdps me. Mind, I haven't played on P99 for a month or two.

Also when epics / velious comes out, rogues will leave everyone in their dust anyways so calm down.

[Zuranthium]

Warriors do excellent damage. The responses in this thread are stupid.

If you had 4 Warriors, 1 Cleric, and 1 Enchanter, your party would be perfectly fine. LOL at people suggesting you bring a caster for DPS instead of a Warrior (talking about the high levels here). A hasted Warrior is better than 2 casters together.

Also LOL at the suggestion of bringing a Ranger, pre-Velious. Although Rangers are at least still better than INT casters or Druids in the later levels during the post-Kunark, pre-Velious era.

[MotorX007]

. This is like a 10 second representation.

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warriors do excellent damage. The responses in this thread are stupid.

If you had 4 Warriors, 1 Cleric, and 1 Enchanter, your party would be perfectly fine. LOL at people suggesting you bring a caster for DPS instead of a Warrior (talking about the high levels here). A hasted Warrior is better than 2 casters together.

Also LOL at the suggestion of bringing a Ranger, pre-Velious. Although Rangers are at least still better than INT casters or Druids in the later levels during the post-Kunark, pre-Velious era.

Bad troll is bad.

[Kassel]

24 hits is a pretty crappy representation of damge done in a group. FAIL

[Supaskillz]

what an awful parse posting. I could post a 2 hit parse and show 1k dps

[Aadill]

Yeah if that was a parse across the course of a single boss fight then that would be believable but that's such a small parse solely based on the use of a discipline. That does indicate the capability of a warrior to do high DPS but it does not have any sustainability across a normal length fight. A rogue can maintain their high DPS while you're looking at bursts.

You didn't ever say how long a warrior could top a rogue's DPS, but c'mon you know that a warrior can't beat a rogue or monk.

[Mardur]

Originally Posted by Kassel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

24 hits is a pretty crappy representation of damge done in a group. FAIL

That's kind of the point, I soloed a dark blue mob in CoM in 14 seconds. There would have been more hits... if I was doing less dps. If you were able to follow a simple conversation you would have realized that I was refuting Dravinger's claim that it's impossible to exceed 300 dps. A 50+ warrior with decent gear should be nearing or breaking 300 dps every time they hit Mighty Strike. The fact that Dravinger claims that a 60 rogue /discing duelist only does 200-300 dps just supports that warriors can easily hold their own when it comes to dps.

In any expansion other than Kunark I would agree it would be silly to proclaim yourself a dps war (well, it's still silly. just roll an ogre warrior to tank AND dps). Warriors arguably get the best set of discs, as well as access to all the best kunark weapons (most/all of which get nerfed/removed). There's 2 Kunark weapons that were just way too good: Blade of the Black Dragon Eye (could be substituted with the mace with the same ratio, just no dps proc) and Wurmslayer in the secondary. The latter option is only available to War/Rng. The former only to warriors. Hence, only warriors can wield what's one of the best weapon combos on the server right now.

If we're talking PoP or something, sure. A warrior isn't going to be able to touch a rogue/monk when it comes to dps. But.. this is Kunark, on P99, prior to AAs, epics, and other fancy things that helped rogues/monks out.

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what an awful parse posting. I could post a 2 hit parse and show 1k dps

It's a 24 hit parse. I'm sorry that gyrating goos don't have more hp. If you can show 1k dps over a 14 second parse vs. a db mob as a war I'll give you 100k.

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah if that was a parse across the course of a single boss fight then that would be believable

Again, you're taking the wrong thing out of my post. Discs don't last the course of a single boss fight. Dravinger said level 60 Rogues hit 200-300 dps with Duelist. I'm showing that as a ~55 warrior I can exceed 300 dps with Mighty Strike. That was the only point. When I compile parses from 4/1 to 4/18 (last time I logged in) I'm at 91 dps. I'd go through the effort of posting a screenshot, but I'm sure people will make up excuses that I cherry picked fights, etc.

Not trying to pick fights, just saying people are underestimating how much DPS a warrior can put out right now. If you have doubts, download Gamparse and do your own studies instead of posting on a forum.

[Supaskillz]

I wont disagree that a warrior can do great dps with disciplines in a very short burst....

The problem is this is about a warrior looking to join a group to do dps where what you want is sustained dps. The fact is warriors will be worse than rogues and monks even with bobde(which is going to pull alot of aggro that you cannot dump) and wurmslayer over any decent sample size. I dont have parses saved, but I have parsed 100s of fights with a gnome warrior on this server who uses bobde and ringed mace of the ykesha and it was not even close.

Also duelist lasts 30 seconds which is longer than mighty strike I believe.

ps: rogues can use bobde, but it makes more sense in a warriors hands since it generates alot of aggro

[Taryth]

A disc burst means nothing. They're all talking about SUSTAINED DPS, not what you can do once every 30min-1hr.

Try parsing 20-30 fights, and show us the averages. Do another set of 20-30, with discs.



Edit: nobody cares about burst DPS from a class that can't do it at least every couple of minutes. See: Wizards.