It is past time we were allowed shortie hybrids

[Snagglepuss]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure?

Read to me its sbollic of new graphis. Symbollic of new art style. Symbollic of higher detail models with worse animations and fewer textures. Symbollic of Sci fi elements creeping in and a departure from traditional fantasy themes.

They were an inescapable figurehead of most the things people didn't enjoy about luclin.

Is Rodcet Nife an alien? And is the Nife Temple in Qeynos a UFO. I never really was sure myself...

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Snagglepuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is Rodcet Nife an alien? And is the Nife Temple in Qeynos a UFO. I never really was sure myself...

I'll let you decide for yourself. This is Rodcet Nife:

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[Chortles Snort|eS]

i've never seen what that god looked like until now
pretty dumb
a lot of eq lore was entirely skippable lets face it
and if not, such gems like this should be
not everything was great about eQ

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by ldgo86 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow. Just. Yikes.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dunno, personally I don't hate those two models. They at least look very EverQuest-y, and in a sense they feel like faithful but "more 3D" versions of the old models.

What I just can't get over is some of the details (the male elf's teeth are cringy), and just in general the uncanny valley problem they all have ... plus of course other models like the Trolls, which are a radical departure from the originals.

Everquest: The Cringes of Luclin coming this winter 2001!

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[Verityn]

Whoever thought up cats on the moon as the basis for an expansion pack was a genius, Jeff.

[DMN]

If you build it, furries will cum.

[Madbad]

The new race should have been weird rodcet nife aliens instead of moon cats

[Nilstoniakrath]

Originally Posted by pink grapefruit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't believe we're talking about mooncats for the 8 billionth time in my super important gnome SK thread.

*sigh*

So I'm pretty sure the moon lore had been in the game the entire time, and was likely being tossed around by the devs as a possible expansion from a very early point. If the luclin expansion had not introduced lame mechanics like pvp safe zones, spires ports, horses, and the terrible "updated" graphics, it likely would have been received much better and a classic emulated project would likely include it in its timeline.

Like imagine if the only way to access the moon would be for a wizard to port you to the nexus (where pvp was still enabled), and then once there the other wizard and the druid ports required keys like the Velious ports. And the bazaar as a zone did not exist, and there were no "updated" graphics (vah shir models made in the same style as other classic races).

Don't blame the vah shir for what luclin did to the game. And don't blame the moon as a setting. It was bad mechanics introduced in luclin that doomed the game to mediocrity. If anything the vah shir and beastlords in general were innocent victims of short-sighted developers. They could have been so much more than what they were; but we unfairly lump them in with all the bad things because at the time they came as a package [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Spires. That was the single most lame feature of Luclin and why it can't be in classic. Trivializing moving around the world and greatly limiting the need for ports.

The Bazaar and AA's, have mixed feelings about. Yes, EC encourages social interaction, but also tunnelquesting and scamming. Automating selling has pros and cons too. AA's in theory could have been ok, but...

Many of the other bad things about Luclin, had already started in earlier expansions. Ridiculous ZEMs like Paludal? Kurns foreshadowed that. Gear inflation? All the expansions did that, really. The lore? Yeah, it sucked, but if that is the only complaint, I really don't care that much about that. The models? Again, I don't really care, more choices, more modern graphic-fine, lame animations-bad. Vah Shir, as a true neutral race, was just the polar opposite of the Iksar. Beastlords, as a warrior-shaman hybrid, fits in with paladins (WAR/CLE) SKs (WAR/NEC) and rangers (WAR/DRU).

And I actually liked the zone layouts in Luclin. Make it a continent, not a moon, get there by boat (plenty of unused docks in the older expansions that could have been the gateway) and they would have been fine.

Of course, this is all just idle chatter, Luclin will never see the light of day on p99 and that is all for the best. Plenty of other EQEMU servers to play on if you want Luclin.

[pink grapefruit]

Originally Posted by Nilstoniakrath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Spires. That was the single most lame feature of Luclin and why it can't be in classic. Trivializing moving around the world and greatly limiting the need for ports.

The Bazaar and AA's, have mixed feelings about. Yes, EC encourages social interaction, but also tunnelquesting and scamming. Automating selling has pros and cons too. AA's in theory could have been ok, but...

Many of the other bad things about Luclin, had already started in earlier expansions. Ridiculous ZEMs like Paludal? Kurns foreshadowed that. Gear inflation? All the expansions did that, really. The lore? Yeah, it sucked, but if that is the only complaint, I really don't care that much about that. The models? Again, I don't really care, more choices, more modern graphic-fine, lame animations-bad. Vah Shir, as a true neutral race, was just the polar opposite of the Iksar. Beastlords, as a warrior-shaman hybrid, fits in with paladins (WAR/CLE) SKs (WAR/NEC) and rangers (WAR/DRU).

And I actually liked the zone layouts in Luclin. Make it a continent, not a moon, get there by boat (plenty of unused docks in the older expansions that could have been the gateway) and they would have been fine.

Of course, this is all just idle chatter, Luclin will never see the light of day on p99 and that is all for the best. Plenty of other EQEMU servers to play on if you want Luclin.

hmmm

The spires were definitely one of the worst features of the expansion, but what really wins out in this sad contest of terrible mechanics was the introduction of pvp safe zones, including the bazaar. This changed trading in such a drastic way on the pvp servers, and not in a good way. Previously there was a lot more danger involved, as the money you had on you (not banked) could be looted following a pvp death. The bazaar being a safezone really watered down the experience of trading.

RIP, faymart. i wiill nvr 4get u *sheds tear*

also as a bard, let me just say: fuck horses. luclin models look their worst on a mount, but everyone wanted them on so they could all purchase one of my class-defining skills to use for themselves. lame.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll let you decide for yourself. This is Rodcet Nife:

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oh my god what the fu