Paradigm Shift Renounces Loot Coucil Fallacy And Embraces Loving DKP

[Tenderizer]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What a delicious combination of paranoia and immersion you have going on. Do you want a cameo in my next chapter?

soo, his view of putting the burden of trust on just leadership is somehow silly to you? but putting the burden of trust into the entire guild is better? Each has + and - , very divisive.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Sonderbeast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I surely hope that you don't 100% trust people on an internet video game..

Of course not, but neither do I hang around with people I don't trust or don't like. Hence you don't see me floating around in such guilds. As for the second bit of your post, of course there's a warning there. Accepting payment in company scrip is enough of a warning to me that I, again, won't tolerate it and hence you don't see me in such guilds. That's what I'm getting at--DKP solves problems which are I think more easily solved simply by not hanging out in those types of environments at all. I'm not interested in trying to make a crummy situation bearable, not for something I do for fun in my free time. I realize that some players want or need the higher-end pixels more than I do, so make a different choice when presented with the same situation. That's fine, no ill will here.

Danth

[Danth]

Bah, can't edit in RNF.

I'd like to add, I've not personally run into problems with loot council guilds, but I haven't been in a ton of them. The danger of corruption is obvious and research before joining is necessary. For example since I main a Shadow Knight I wouldn't join a LC guild where the guild leader had a known disdain for hybrids. I've also been in guilds that use open rolls and I'm fine with that too. Long story short, I find loot systems become simpler to manage and less a bout drama when pixel loot isn't such a driving concern in the first place.

Danth

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Tenderizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

soo, his view of putting the burden of trust on just leadership is somehow silly to you? but putting the burden of trust into the entire guild is better? Each has + and - , very divisive.

Yes, it's silly and naive. See Bvmmey / <Clue> as exhibit A

[Tenderizer]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, it's silly and naive. See Bvmmey / <Clue> as exhibit A

this doesnt make any sense? he would of stole it if it was dkp or council?

[Tenderizer]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The danger of corruption is obvious and research before joining is necessary.

Danth

even if you put faith in it at the start things change, never trust these nerds 100%

[Sonderbeast]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course not, but neither do I hang around with people I don't trust or don't like. Hence you don't see me floating around in such guilds. As for the second bit of your post, of course there's a warning there. Accepting payment in company scrip is enough of a warning to me that I, again, won't tolerate it and hence you don't see me in such guilds. That's what I'm getting at--DKP solves problems which are I think more easily solved simply by not hanging out in those types of environments at all. I'm not interested in trying to make a crummy situation bearable, not for something I do for fun in my free time. I realize that some players want or need the higher-end pixels more than I do, so make a different choice when presented with the same situation. That's fine, no ill will here.

I'd like to add, I've not personally run into problems with loot council guilds, but I haven't been in a ton of them. The danger of corruption is obvious and research before joining is necessary. For example since I main a Shadow Knight I wouldn't join a LC guild where the guild leader had a known disdain for hybrids. I've also been in guilds that use open rolls and I'm fine with that too. Long story short, I find loot systems become simpler to manage and less a bout drama when pixel loot isn't such a driving concern in the first place.

Danth

I find it suspect that you are in a guild without any bad apples. The majority of all guilds are good people, it's the two or threes selfish bad apples in all guilds that cause the controversy and create problems.

Your statement about 'environments' seems to me ill informed, Aftermath isn't a toxic environment, and I'd bet that Tempest, AG, BG and the other DKP guilds are enjoyable as well - otherwise they wouldn't be guilds! There are toxic people in every guild and just like any troll online you ignore them. There are some awesome people who do more than enough to counterbalance it. DKP has nothing to do with the environment, it's about accountability for the leadership and a fair system to distribute the rare and sought after loot that we encounter weekly. That is why it is so successful.

If you don't want to advance your character in a game centered around character advancement, then that's your gameplay and it's fine, but I would be hesitant to apply that perspective to the whole of the player-base for this server. I laugh when I hear statements like "don't make it about the loot" because that's literally what the game is about. Grinding camps for loot and experience, I sincerely hope no one uses eq as an outlet for socialization.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What a delicious combination of paranoia and immersion you have going on. Do you want a cameo in my next chapter?

I'd like to be the prude with a furrowed brow who ends up with a literal broomstick up the ass, if you don't mind. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tenderizer]

Originally Posted by Sonderbeast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I laugh when I hear statements like "don't make it about the loot" because that's literally what the game is about.

you make it sound like anything outside "its for the pixels" is negative. many ways to enjoy the game.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Sonderbeast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but I would be hesitant to apply that perspective to the whole of the player-base for this server.

I don't. Speaking only for myself here and haven't claimed otherwise.


Danth