Is a "No Lock-Down" Rule Possible?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As requested by the lovely Maner,

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[Tuurin]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many players were there at the time? How many servers? Do you have posts confirming the same policy was being enforced unilaterally across all of them? Because so far you haven't proven that. All you need is a post from the person in charge of the guide program stating when the PnP was going to go into affect. Go find that post and then come back, otherwise you are just using people's personal experience as evidence which is ANECODTAL.



And one example disproves me comment now? Nice job ignoring all the other questions though troll

You are not entitled to anything on this server. Either put in as much time as the other people or stop bitching when you don't have the same gear. That is classic

Way to tee yourself up there bud.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

eh you asked for pnp and he showed you pnp. not much else to say dude.

[supermonk]

if you're not in a raiding guild, you're going to hit a ceiling fairly quickly. if you still want to progress what other option do you have besides farming? you can't win on this box; you receive vitriol if you're in a raiding guild for not sharing mobs. the same concept applies if you're a farmer..but you only farm in order to buy items from raiding guilds.

I just wish people had the sense to talk it out with the opposing party instead of instantly petitioning for feeling slighted, not being slighted.

[Tuurin]

I've seen this sentiment expressed a few times here- do you really think you can just crack open a minotaur hero brew and shoot the shit with people and they're going to give up their precious monopoly on a camp? Have you ever had one of these types of interactions? It really doesn't work that way most of the time.

Most of the time you'll be either completely ignored (afk?) or ridiculed and called a newb for not knowing the rulebook. At best, you'll politely be told that they're planning on camping it for another 8 hours or so and there are 4 other people on the list after them so come back on Tuesday if you want a chance at the camp.

If something is technically allowed in the rules, people will do it and quote the rulebook to you despite any level of logical discourse you try to have. EQ is/was a pretty hardcore-type of game, and P1999 is the boiled-down neckbeardy version of EQ so of course it's going to have a disproportionate level of people who would gladly spend DAYS camping something to farm plats to pay for a MQ to get 20 more Hps out of their wrist slot.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Tuurin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At best, you'll politely be told that they're planning on camping it for another 8 hours or so and there are 4 other people on the list after them so come back on Tuesday if you want a chance at the camp.

I'm sure "8 hours or so and ... 4 other people on the list" was meant to be hyperbole, but I've played here for years and that really doesn't match what I've seen (except perhaps for the OOT AC at peak times). At all other competitive camps you have about a 35% chance to get the camp in less than an hour (either it will be free or the current camper will leave within an hour), and if you sit around waiting for them to leave on purpose (or die or zone,) your odds grow to like 80% in about two hours.

So if you want (say) an Earring of Essence from the Soothsayer in Droga just show up (at off-peak times if possible). If someone is there ask them how long they'll be, and then AFK and check back in every so often for a couple hours. You're likely to get the camp in that time, and if not you're very likely to get it by doing the same thing for another night or two. Or, don't wait around as long and log back in to check on the camp more frequently instead.

It still might take a lot of goblins to spawn a Soothsayer, and a lot of Soothsayers to get the earring, but hey that's EverQuest. The point is, it's not other players stopping you from getting the earring, it's your own willingness to be patient and play at off-peak hours, and the actual game itself.

[Tuurin]

I'm confused Loramin- didn't you start this thread? The thread is about locking down mobs/drops for extended amounts of time (days/weeks) to prevent others from accessing content and hoarding vast amounts of rare gear. Of course that's not the case at the Soothsayer camp in 2017.

If you want to see how this might play out in current meta, wait until Chardok 2.0 drops and Regal Band/Spirit Wracked Cords are on the table. You'll not be able to negotiate, play at off-peak, group up and cooperate, etc. for Drusella and/or angry goblin spawns. It'll be locked down 24/7 for a year+. And no level of patience or cooperation will allow you access either, because people will just hand off the camp to a friend, who will then hand it back to their alt, who then /gu when they're about to leave and have a guildy come and hold the camp while they sleep, etc.

And yes, it's exactly what happened in classic EQ, which prompted the PNP.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Tuurin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm confused Loramin- didn't you start this thread? The thread is about locking down mobs/drops for extended amounts of time (days/weeks) to prevent others from accessing content and hoarding vast amounts of rare gear. Of course that's not the case at the Soothsayer camp in 2017.

Yeah sorry I lost the context when I was reading your post and misread it as a general whine about camps on P99. Please ignore.

[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by Tuurin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've seen this sentiment expressed a few times here- do you really think you can just crack open a minotaur hero brew and shoot the shit with people and they're going to give up their precious monopoly on a camp? Have you ever had one of these types of interactions? It really doesn't work that way most of the time.

But it does happen. I have had these interactions a good many times. No, they were not concerning rare spawns or dragon pixels. I have been on p99 now since 2012 and I haven't had much issue with getting camps eventually. I just don't get them all the time when I want them now.. you know like laying down with tears on my cheeks while pounding my fists and kicking my feet.

If its camped and I get no play, I move on my way to something else. Come back later.

Originally Posted by Tuurin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most of the time you'll be either completely ignored (afk?) or ridiculed and called a newb for not knowing the rulebook. At best, you'll politely be told that they're planning on camping it for another 8 hours or so and there are 4 other people on the list after them so come back on Tuesday if you want a chance at the camp.

Come back Tuesday, newb. /ingore .. j/k. But yeah check on it or come back on Tuesday.

Originally Posted by Tuurin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If something is technically allowed in the rules, people will do it and quote the rulebook to you despite any level of logical discourse you try to have. EQ is/was a pretty hardcore-type of game, and P1999 is the boiled-down neckbeardy version of EQ so of course it's going to have a disproportionate level of people who would gladly spend DAYS camping something to farm plats to pay for a MQ to get 20 more Hps out of their wrist slot.

I have heard this complaint in various forms so many times in the past 17 years. Eventually when the player gets past their hump in life and reaches to point to seek BiS items some may chose to camp plat to achieve this and the circles comes around fully. Ask yourself if you are truly upset because a camp is taken or is it BiS or even upper end gear is just out of reach.

Honestly, what camp is that hard to get eventually?. King Camp for fungi, Jboots or high end Dragon pixels?

An instance MMO is far more up their ally, just like DVR tv they can watch it when they want how they want. No need to get heartbroken when they can have it now... NOW. Not later, NOW damnit. The game should cater to just the way they like their backs scratched. When and How.

*sigh*... achieve what you can achieve, everything good under the sun is not entitled and that includes the Norrath pixel sun as well.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Mblake1981 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*Reply that also misses the context*.

I feel better now that I'm not the only one [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]