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Old 12-19-2017, 01:25 PM
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Oh people can totally be sold on colonization in 2017 -- just look at Israel!
my point is they are not sold on colinization of isreal, because "well look how great it worked out with columbus!" its obtuse to think they are related in anyway at all.

I seriously fail to see how or why whitewashing history in such a minor way, has a negative effect on society in anyway.

if you yourself cannot remember the history from first hand or even second hand memory, why is it so important that you feel guilty about it?????!!!!!!
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Old 12-19-2017, 01:27 PM
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lol are you saying that maybe we might colonize and enslave a population simply because we say Columbus was a cool explorer?

WRONG

We base our behavior on morals of the time not the mistakes of the past. And we base our morals of the time based off civil rights movements from people at that time.

Why did we get rid of slavery? Because we had accurate historical records about Chris Columbus? LOL nope.

Because of morals of the time.
This isn't true. The civil war began with no such thoughts of moral reasoning regarding slavery.

Slavery was a point of contention with non-slave states because it granted the slavery states an economic advantage due to the use of slaves powering it.

Northern/Western states viewed this system of operation as one they could not compete with economically and thus it had to be dismantled. Obviously the powerful southern state slaveowners were unwilling to give up their power and riches that were garnered through a system of slavery that had existed for over 200 years. Even if they wanted to, it was simply impossible.

Freeing slaves was simply a second thought and only became a selling point halfway through the war when it benefited the northern states to use this as a way to gain more bodies (freed slaves and those who opposed slavery due to moral reasons) to fight the war.

Don't pretend slavery was abolished purely for moralistic reasons. You are being naive or purposefully ignorant if that's what you really believe.

"Morals of the time." Total bullshit.
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Old 12-19-2017, 01:33 PM
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Edit: We teach about how we killed all the Indians after Thanksgiving etc...we don't act like the old chief is telling out children wild tales in 2017. But we were more fucked up in the immediate aftermath of killing Native Americans. The point is: Japan is still pretty silent on how it provoked aggression in WW2 unless you in college politics or something.
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Old 12-19-2017, 01:54 PM
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we're still in medieval times people

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Old 12-19-2017, 02:19 PM
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we're still in medieval times people

*just with computers now
Humans are always gonna kill each other, no matter the century. We’re animals after all.
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Old 12-19-2017, 02:27 PM
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Basically Poke is pointing out -- the reason Europe pulled ahead had to do with them getting start with Horses, Sheep, Chicken, Pigs.

Americas didn't get Jack except Llamas in the south Americas. Everything else was too hard to domesticate. Only Llamas didn't quite cut it though.

So not only did we have bacon and eggs -- we got a dose of the plague when those in the Americas did not. European explorers basically killed a huge portion of the Native population long before England started to colonize the eastern shores of North America.

So maybe we couldn't have done that so easy if it weren't for huge sweeps of plague. But I think North America might have been fucked anyway personally...too much factionalism. It would look like Southeast Asia at best.
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Old 12-19-2017, 04:18 PM
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entertainment value of these off-topics is awesome.
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Old 12-19-2017, 04:32 PM
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entertainment value of these off-topics is awesome.
you're dangerously close to understanding off topic

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Old 12-19-2017, 04:54 PM
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Old 12-19-2017, 05:06 PM
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