Plane of Growth OPEN RAID // 12/9

[Check12345]

Originally Posted by Bellringer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I'm coming to the raid to help and hang out, not even bidding on Tunare stuff.

[Bellringer]

My link is broke. Confirmed idiot warrior.

[Tuljin]

Originally Posted by Fifield [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would go endure a shitty PoG clear if Tunare's loot was available and not just for said guild. Clearing trash for another guild to kill the boss sounds awful.

Yes it does

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do we need another casual guild again?. Tunare seems like the one target am/aw would do together. But awakened rather just use CSG.. then knock them out the running for tunare loot after all the time vested is equal to their members.... the diplomacy is low here

Yes it is

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tunare loot isn't rare. She sits there week in and week out waiting to be killed. Also, if Awakened has only seen one Bard weapon thats simply because they chose to not spawn her wit said weapon.

Yes she is

Originally Posted by Phenyo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Awful PR but they wont give a damn either way cause enough people will show up and drink the koolaid thinking they are being done a favor. How gracious of AW to allow casuals attend their raid, pras the benevolence.

My man here "gets" P99

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Either way, if it's not an PBAE Clear I can't imagine it's a raid for anyone cause that's just painful one by one clearing trash that can easily be stunned and blown up.

Even the prolific forum poster and long-time nice guy Daldaen is left scratching his head. Why -don't- they just AoE the zone?

The issue is is that every Velious zone and boss was completely trivial the -second- Velious dropped (and everyone had also done beta raids for over a year as well as had already played the content on other servers)

Growth is the only zone that hasn't been completely trivialized and has a "classic" raid experience - hours of grueling trash clearing as opposed to sitting at zone ent counting your DKP waiting for phats. This makes the "raid" nerds -very- frustrated, hence why nobody goes in the zone and there are so few Tunare lootz (which is actually "classic")

So, who is "mad" here? The players who are calling this for what it is or the guild leadership that has to pull an emergency PR campaign to keep them from looking bad?

Friends, the people who "get mad" on this server are not the nubs who think they are "entitled" to some boss shinies even though they didn't "put in the work." The people on this server who ~actually~ "get mad" are the same people that need to recruit scrubs to help them clear shitty Growth trash saying its so they can "see new content" yet not let them roll on boss loots and instead let them have the Kael-equivalent scraps they wouldn't even loot for their alts as if they're doing them a favor (piss on my leg and tell me its raining)

There are so many Chardok AoE powerleveled toons on this server that they should easily be able to clear the zone without any outside help. If they didn't need the help why would they be asking? They're not letting the rest of the server sit in ToV every week and wait on the durgon piñata and "experience new content."

Open raids are great for the server and do allow players to see raid zones they normally wouldn't see. The issue here is that this absolutely -is- a thinly-veiled attempt at getting ringers to clear raid trash. Everyone calling out this bullshit isn't "wrong."

There will be people that go on this raid and that's fine and wonderful. Personally, I'm not sitting around all day on a Saturday killing millions of HP worth of trash so a nub Awakened officer can get a Tunare drop. Many others feel the same way. Theres enough plvled wizard alts in Awakened with many BiS slots that sit camped all day that they should be able to get their shit together somehow and AoE it (thats way too much work though)

It really is nice that we can share the toys in our little sandbox once in a while but don't let Awakened tell you for one second that they're doing you a favor by letting you come clear trash for them. Id rather make those nerds actually work for their loot for once.

[Mead]

Originally Posted by Tuljin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes it does



Yes it is



Yes she is



My man here "gets" P99



Even the prolific forum poster and long-time nice guy Daldaen is left scratching his head. Why -don't- they just AoE the zone?

The issue is is that every Velious zone and boss was completely trivial the -second- Velious dropped (and everyone had also done beta raids for over a year as well as had already played the content on other servers)

Growth is the only zone that hasn't been completely trivialized and has a "classic" raid experience - hours of grueling trash clearing as opposed to sitting at zone ent counting your DKP waiting for phats. This makes the "raid" nerds -very- frustrated, hence why nobody goes in the zone and there are so few Tunare lootz (which is actually "classic")

So, who is "mad" here? The players who are calling this for what it is or the guild leadership that has to pull an emergency PR campaign to keep them from looking bad?

Friends, the people who "get mad" on this server are not the nubs who think they are "entitled" to some boss shinies even though they didn't "put in the work." The people on this server who ~actually~ "get mad" are the same people that need to recruit scrubs to help them clear shitty Growth trash saying its so they can "see new content" yet not let them roll on boss loots and instead let them have the Kael-equivalent scraps they wouldn't even loot for their alts as if they're doing them a favor (piss on my leg and tell me its raining)

There are so many Chardok AoE powerleveled toons on this server that they should easily be able to clear the zone without any outside help. If they didn't need the help why would they be asking? They're not letting the rest of the server sit in ToV every week and wait on the durgon piñata and "experience new content."

Open raids are great for the server and do allow players to see raid zones they normally wouldn't see. The issue here is that this absolutely -is- a thinly-veiled attempt at getting ringers to clear raid trash. Everyone calling out this bullshit isn't "wrong."

There will be people that go on this raid and that's fine and wonderful. Personally, I'm not sitting around all day on a Saturday killing millions of HP worth of trash so a nub Awakened officer can get a Tunare drop. Many others feel the same way. Theres enough plvled wizard alts in Awakened with many BiS slots that sit camped all day that they should be able to get their shit together somehow and AoE it (thats way too much work though)

It really is nice that we can share the toys in our little sandbox once in a while but don't let Awakened tell you for one second that they're doing you a favor by letting them come clear trash for them. Id rather make those nerds actually work for their loot for once.

There's a rnf thread for this now so people can tell you how they really feel.

Come join.

[mattydef]

So AW comes on here and openly admits they don't bother with Tunare anymore because clearing the zone is way too time consuming and isn't worth the rewards. So they invite people to help do the part they refuse to do but then don't want to share in the best loot in the zone? The whole "well we could do this on our own anyway" excuse doesn't seem very appropriate in this situation.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by mattydef [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So AW comes on here and openly admits they don't bother with Tunare anymore because clearing the zone is way too time consuming and isn't worth the rewards. So they invite people to help do the part they refuse to do but then don't want to share in the best loot in the zone? The whole "well we could do this on our own anyway" excuse doesn't seem very appropriate in this situation.

Clearing PoGrowth is the kind of thing you can do like once or twice a year, because an 8hr clear that often is a novelty, but any more often it is basically just a work shift.

As such I think there is a strong alignment of interest between irregular raiders, for whom PoGrowth trash is novel content and usable gear, and Awakened, for whom PoGrowth trash is an inconvenience and the gear is rot.

This is an improvement to refusing open participation and selling loot rights to rots, which as an alternative would be more convenient to Awakened (and much more worthy of salt).

[Legidias]

Somehow, clearing for 8 hours is more tedious than socking for 8 hours doing nothing?

[Phenyo]

Originally Posted by teija [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The trolls are try harding to much in this thread.

Awakened does not NEED anyone for PoG, In fact having people green to the raid scene and unclear of how agro transfer works could make it a longer clear. This was put together so our members could have a chance to raid with some new people and have a good time and for newer members of the community to get a taste of what PoG is like for those who have never been there. Why let gear rot when someone could put it to good use?

This is not the first time this has happened and they have been a huge success with tons of people walking away with sweet loots they would never get from their small guild of friends.

Luckily people do not listen to forum trolls much and I am expecting a healthy number of random players to attend, See ya there!

Read as 'anyone disagreeing with our obviously shady setup is a just a troll!'. As mentioned there have been plenty of open raids (AG/paradox hosted etc) which are great for server health and allow more casual players a FAIR AND EQUAL raiding experience - however this is not one of them.

Your choice of wording is leading, manipulative and suggests that your actions are altruistic. If this was the case then all of the pixels would be open rolled and not reserved for AW members only. Is a man not entitled to a share of the rewards that he works towards? Your rebuttal will be 'well they are allowed to roll on the lesser pixels that drop!' which only further proves my point.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Phenyo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your choice of wording is leading, manipulative and suggests that your actions are altruistic. If this was the case then all of the pixels would be open rolled and not reserved for AW members only. Is a man not entitled to a share of the rewards that he works towards? Your rebuttal will be 'well they are allowed to roll on the lesser pixels that drop!' which only further proves my point.

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[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Somehow, clearing for 8 hours is more tedious than socking for 8 hours doing nothing?

It takes all sorts.

Personally I'm not a stare at wall, wait for dragons to be delivered to zoneline guy.

I'm a stare at boards, waiting for threads to post guy :P.