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Old 04-07-2011, 08:27 PM
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China’s Carrier Killer Ballistic Missiles are Operational
new DF-21D anti-ship balistic missiles
with their 900-mile range, have reached an early operational status.
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Old 04-07-2011, 08:50 PM
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Hot topic back in 2004-2006 but come 2011 if these two countries were to fight it out who would win?

Rules: No Nukes allowed, No Allies allowed.

Kind of war used
Combat, Land/Air/Sea.

No Economic war since china ripping it at the moment.
Stalemate as there is no land to fight on. The only option would be a war in Korea.

China lacks the aircraft and navy to attack the US, the US doesn't have the army to fight China in a land war beyond South Korea.

If they beat them back an offensive into the North and China would be suicide.

This, of course, ignores the fact that the two sides wouldn't goto war in the first place.
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Old 04-07-2011, 08:50 PM
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Old 04-07-2011, 09:16 PM
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The votes are pretty even at the moment.

There were restrictions in place because

1. Use of Nukes wouldn't really be put into play, to me i believe they are there just to scare the other nations but neither countries would use them (Well maybe the US because they are stupid and arrogant) due to one bomb pretty much blasting away 1/5 of the world, and leaving behind scars on the planet that wouldn't regen for over 1000 years.

2. I put in no allies because the US has only won one war in history without allies and that when they fought for there independence? Correct me if i am wrong here.

3. And lastly economic was optional, but taken out due to the chinese having holdings in almost every massive company in the world. Mining, food, constructions. If this were to come into play it would put the chinese on a huge advantage, on top of all that, doesnt the US owe China money too? Plus the chinese are playing it smart using the net for cyber espionage into other companies to take them over. Whilst the US are warring for quick cash in the oil industry countries only.

End game, the US might win if the war was quick and decisive but that wouldn't be possible due to the chinese setting up defenses to counter quick assaults like the shock and awe tactics used in Iraq. The chinese know all counter measures for that already, so the war would be drawn out and the US eventually would exhaust there resources within there own country and lose out in the end.
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1: Scars, how? It would fuck up civilization and gut out almost every city, turning them into plague hole, but what scars to the planet exactly?

2: Pretty much every single war they fought before the Great War. Unilateralism and refusal to be bound up in alliances was central to American foreign policy before the 20th Century (The US looked on them as a web European powers used to drag each other into wars they didn't want to be in).

3: China and the US go to war, they're both fucked economically. One buys too much from the other while the others trade lanes will be shutdown asap.

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End game, the US might win if the war was quick and decisive but that wouldn't be possible due to the chinese setting up defenses to counter quick assaults like the shock and awe tactics used in Iraq. The chinese know all counter measures for that already, so the war would be drawn out and the US eventually would exhaust there resources within there own country and lose out in the end.
All modern wars are quick due to the fact that modern warfare is geared towards the massive outpouring of munitions.

Every modern war conventional war has either ended quick and decisively or both sides wound up expending all their munitions and could only continue when their backers rushed to resupply them (The Abrab-Israeli wars).
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Discounting the PLAAF is a fool's errand.

The Black Eagle

Chengdu J-20
Both in the infancy of their development. The mainstay of China will remain rip off Russian designs for quite some time.

The only problem is America is shooting themselves by slack on aircraft development and will rely on aircraft whose design history began in the 60s and were developed a decade after that.

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US has a ton more military assets at the moment. They may have more people, but we have way more ships, planes, missiles, etc. In 2011, I don't think the Chinese could bridge the gap.

Now if we told them we would be fighting in 2016, and they had time to prepare, they would kick our shit.
America is over committed and under funded while the Chinese are still decades from training their military to be of Western quality.

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No. Would only take one MIRV warhead to take out their entire population.
A single warhead wouldn't even destroy a single city.

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you could load the things up with some kind of bio weapon and get the same result.
How to deploy?

"Things" is not the answer.

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This.

We live in a global economy, advanced countries experience warfare on the economic level, not the militaristic.
Has been for the last two centuries.

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Actually the US navy is rendered useless sitting ducks by Chinese submarines. This is a recent development within the past few years as they have been popping up behind US naval carriers during military exercises.
All Chinese subs currently in service are only glorified diesel subs, they can't run over 20 knots for long without destroying their engine machinery.

Chinese metallurgy is notoriously poor in quality.

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China’s Carrier Killer Ballistic Missiles are Operational
new DF-21D anti-ship balistic missiles
with their 900-mile range, have reached an early operational status.
Launch a ballistic missile, start a nuclear war.
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Old 04-07-2011, 09:21 PM
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Beastro fancies himself a brilliant military strategist. However, his basic lack of understanding of the geopolitical context that current events play handicaps his ability to do so. He also grossly downplays the role that secret societies play in the horse trading of international affairs.

America was the leading superpower for the past century. China will be the new one.
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Old 04-07-2011, 10:17 PM
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Beastro fancies himself a brilliant military strategist.
No, I just parrot others who know wtf they're talking about.

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America was the leading superpower for the past century. China will be the new one.
Depends on if China implodes due to population and ecological damage. If not, then yes.
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Old 04-07-2011, 10:57 PM
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What if China has mini-ditka on their team?
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China has been preparing underground cities for decades ever since China and Russia went at it in '69, and the USA doesn't have anything as intricate.
The US on the books strategy for dealing with nuke attacks is to absorb the first wave and just let whoever is targeted die. China can't use a strategy like that because it only takes one MIRV warhead to take out their entire population of 1 billion. This is why China is much easier to kill in any war with technology past WW2.

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That's not to say the US could just stroll into China and just decimate everything no problem
Anyone with WMD's can due to the map below. If you say "without nukes", there are still plenty of weapons just as effective against that.

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Old 04-07-2011, 11:50 PM
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Anyone with WMD's can due to the map below. If you say "without nukes", there are still plenty of weapons just as effective against that.
The implication of my statement was that the US wouldn't be able to just casually go over and make China roll over and die. Cause massive amounts of devastation and death? Sure. Have China roll over and die? lol no
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Old 04-08-2011, 01:22 AM
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I'm not American, so from an outside point of view, no-one stands a chance against China...

In more ways than one they are slowly taking over the world and it's very worrying. Hell yeah I would want America to win, but realistically, I think they wouldn't...

Never the less.. burn the ****s!
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