RIP Chester Bennington

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just very wary of assigning cause in publications like these especially when the authors don't do it explicitly themselves in the publication.

Ok, I do take your point, and people can make all sorts of crazy claims based on studies. But I wasn't doing that, I was quoting the opinions of the experts themselves.

Whether or not their research, at this moment in time, can conclusively prove that suicide is X% determined at birth is irrelevant. What is relevant is that we have several very smart people who have devoted their lives to to studying this topic and they're all in agreement. I trust their opinion (well, until I see a better supported counter opinion).

And on that note, got any scientific publication, interview with scientists, etc. where they have evidence or opinions that most suicides are just (biologically) normal people offing themselves? It would honestly help convince me I'm ascribing too much to biology.

[Cecily]

Lol I had a "chemical imbalance". Well maybe you're just fucking different. Thank god there's a medication for it.

[Fasttimes]

Let's get back on topic. Finally we get rid of some bad music. If deaths come in 3s please take another shitty band.

[NorseGod]

linkin park was horrible, but suicide is sad.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

based on previous comments and demographics, it's a safe bet Cecily is better acquainted with the topic than you. Dismissing her as a troll isn't helpful or useful.

I dismiss her earlier comments as troll (which they were) and as far as measuring up my demographics and comments to Cecily's on the topic of mental health to prove who is more acquainted on the topic isn't necessary. We can share perspectives and discussions without pulling out the epeen measurer I hope?

I aint here to prove my knowledge is greater than someone else, I was simply expressing my opinion on the matter. My opinion derives from personal experiences and working in a field that put me in direct contact with mental health patients for over 13 years, so take that as you may.

I can recognize that topics like this are very complex and often times there's no "right" answer to them, and if someone is giving an honest perspective I always listen to them with open ears.

This exchange with Cecily began with flippant insults on Cecily's behalf and ended with a snarky know-it-all attitude so taking any post in this thread on this topic with any seriousness written by Cecily is a bit hard to do.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dismiss her earlier comments as troll (which they were) and as far as measuring up my demographics and comments to Cecily's on the topic of mental health to prove who is more acquainted on the topic isn't necessary. We can share perspectives and discussions without pulling out the epeen measurer I hope?

I aint here to prove my knowledge is greater than someone else, I was simply expressing my opinion on the matter. My opinion derives from personal experiences and working in a field that put me in direct contact with mental health patients for over 13 years, so take that as you may.

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thought we not measuring peens bud?

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[khanable]

confession

i just listened to their newest album and liked it

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not refuting their work. Their publication is in finding altered serotinin levels in cases of death by suicide, which I find interesting. What I do take issue with is their manner of speculation in the NPR interview about the altered serotinin levels being "faulty" (read: pathological) rather than different, and their overreaching characterization of the role of serotinin in human physiology.

As neuroscientists they are qualified to examine the differences in serotinin in the different tissues and make physiological postulations regarding that. What they are not qualified to do is create a clinical paradigm for the serotonergic system that still lacks understanding even among scientists who study it specifically from an internal medicine and endocrinology perspective.

There could be any number of causes for the different serotinin levels and their publication elucidates exactly none of them. It could very well be that the emotional trauma leading up to suicide causes an accumulation of serotonin, rather than it being a chronic presentation throughout the disease-course in a suicidal individual. I'm just very wary of assigning cause in publications like these especially when the authors don't do it explicitly themselves in the publication.

havent read this yet but im hawking u boy

im in a vendetta kind of mood

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This exchange with Cecily began with flippant insults on Cecily's behalf and ended with a snarky know-it-all attitude so taking any post in this thread on this topic with any seriousness written by Cecily is a bit hard to do.

Yeah. I don't like the band. Don't really care if he died and have to confess I'm kind of happy they can't put out anymore music. Although the sad irony is I really did like the last single all their fans hated precisely because it didn't sound like Linkin Park. He IS kind of a dick to kill himself with 6 children and he has every right to do so. And as someone dealing with wanting to die every day for roughly the past 20 years, I don't appreciate forum armchair mental health professionals performing a postmortem analysis of how healthy his brain probably was. You don't know what you're talking about unless you've personally experienced life from this perspective. In closing.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

confession

i just listened to their newest album and liked it

Yeah, I think I'm gonna give this one a fair listen to. I'm confident the older albums are tweenwave emo bullshit, but Heavy, the song the LP fans hated always hit me real hard. "Holding on, why is everything so heavy?" which, lets be real, is the whole song is nonetheless a powerful and succinct way to describe what it's like being on the verge of suicide. It's put me in tears a few times.