Sooo, anyone wanna go red?

[Danien]

Originally Posted by Ennoia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While it may bring a totally different and far more intense raiding experience, EQ PvP has always been bullshit garbage because the game wasn't designed for it (Smedly said it himself). EQ classes are not and never have been balanced for PvP. If a Wizard wants you dead, guess what? You're going to die and there is really nothing you can do about it. Playing a Warrior, Rogue, or Monk in EverQuest PvP is akin to bringing grandma's station wagon to the Daytona 500.

While it may be funny to take someone's gear once you kill them, it was always an awful aspect of EQ PvP.

Everquests PvE Balance (Between the classes) have always been garbage as well but that doesnt seem to stop you from enjoying it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Amuk, most of the skilled people quit around the time SZ came out, not that they did not transfer, they were not THERE to transfer.

The rich guy was the saudi prince that bought Kamzan for like 10k.

Kamzan was still playing, he was in my guild on a blue server playing a dwarf cleric, SZ launched, he didn't go.

Guild leader was this asian guy named Ashek, he forms an "A team" for Test of Tactics using only TZ players such as him, Heck, and Kamzan. Me and Maverix form the "B team" and beat them, our cleric was some asian girl named Febe that didn't even speak english and quit the guild and rejoined every day for reasons unknown. Guild leader goes on to post on message board talking about how he's contemplating suicide due to losing.

[naez]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Either way, the talent pool in SZ was low. Just as the EMU talent pool is low. Most of the better gamers are playing SC2, WoW, Rift, etc.

Originally Posted by Ennoia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While it may bring a totally different and far more intense raiding experience, EQ PvP has always been bullshit garbage because the game wasn't designed for it (Smedly said it himself). EQ classes are not and never have been balanced for PvP. If a Wizard wants you dead, guess what? You're going to die and there is really nothing you can do about it. Playing a Warrior, Rogue, or Monk in EverQuest PvP is akin to bringing grandma's station wagon to the Daytona 500.

Macken we're going to need some training wheels itt.

[naez]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I'm sick of you SZ failures, touting the "OMGZ WE COULD TRAIN AND RUSH!!! SO MUCH HARDER COREZ!" crap.

There were no CS rules on TZ. (CS being customer service, or PnP). Again, that server was just the rejects that were not good enough to stick around on the other zeks. I'm sure there were some quality players, but like I said, at that time the zeks were hemorrhaging players to RL, and nobody I knew that went to SZ was anything special.

and some helmets too

[Caravelle1]

Everquest is not a PvP game. the classes are imbalanced, the terrain is designed for shady tactics and unfair ganks.
The only exception would be a Full grp vs Full grp, in an open battlegound.

Playing zek for 7 years, I didn't see one fair engagement, it was entirely ganking while leveling, or simply one class having more tools than another.

[Caravelle1]

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The hardest is to keep a level 1 halfling perma unconscious with shurikens on a 60 iksar monk when your skill keeps going up each time you throw one.

Rabies <2 hour 1 damage per tick dot>

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by Caravelle1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

shady tactics and unfair ganks.

Playing zek for 7 years, I didn't see one fair engagement

Yea man, when I was living in China during 500BC, this moron named Sun Tzu kept doing the same shit

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea man, when I was living in China during 500BC, this moron named Sun Tzu kept doing the same shit

I wonder if Sun Tzu would have gone warrior or necro.

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wonder if Sun Tzu would have gone warrior or necro.

He was iksar monk and trained people

[casdegere]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, wizards weren't very impressive until manaburn. Even as a crappy druid, I could sit and stare at a wizard nuking his brains out and heal myself until he went oom and then watch him fall over dead from winged death.

Necros, on the other hand... yeah. I used to fight shadowknights all the time. Most of them had better gear than me (good team, evil team, etc.), and usually they won, although I was a good enough player that "winning" usually meant I ran like hell away as my mana and hit points started dropping into danger zones. And you know what? It was fun as hell. One of my favorite SZ war stories is coming upon four SKs in Dawnshroud Peaks and opening up a rain spell on them (most low level evils sucked and could be killed easily) only to discover that ALL FOUR OF THEM had harm touch up. Needless to say... well, at least it was a short corpse run!

EQ PVP requires more skills and tricks than any other game I've played, especially if you're going to play one of the weaker classes. I don't expect to ever rival the gaming fun I had getting my ass kicked on Sullon Zek.

I disagree. Check out the class compliment on all EQ PVP servers that ever were. A Bard can best any non casting melee and most that do cast. He can infact, best a group of non casting melee without taking a hit unless someone uses a bow which for a Warrior is pretty useless. The ability to outrun, snare, root, charm, heal, debuff, mez, stun, fear, nuke, and dot are lord...no matter what "skills" you have. I played an Enchanter in PVP and I used Charmed PCs to attack guards etc. It did get more interesting when fighting casters or Hybrids like druids but stuns work very good as well as Charm and Mez. But it only took 1 slip up for a Wizard to nuke you down or to get a DOT landed on you.

It was all about catching people unawares which doesn't take skill. Those opportunities were always there. An Enchanter with a couple Melee DPS could do pretty well. Add a Cleric and much much better yet. A Wizard/Chanter duo is very tough if they see you coming. Harm Touches etc are a one shot and even rooted casters can be deadly. Pet classes work very well but pets can be rooted or mezzed easily then its open season on their owner. Not sure where all this Leet Skilz talk is all about. Its about Class, MR, Gear, Level and Opportunity>skill more times then not.