A/A strategy finally worked after a few years

[Expediency]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do people constantly insist that you cant do both? Ive been in AM since the start and just bought a house so obviously its not impossible. Its just the lies you tell yourself in order to justify your entitlement.

You had mobs handed to you for a month and "beat the game", then why are you still so salty about the raid scene?

What makes you think I'm salty? I didnt leave or quit and I still help with community events. I'm calling it like I see it. From the outside looking in what you guys do looks crazy to me and most of the rest of us, especially after seeing what it was like with you gone. We are a lawfully aligned guild and its not in our DNA to test the rules limit to the point of eating bans if we can avoid it.

Multiple people looking at a skype video or whatever of someone else's screen so they can track a mob? I could look at my phone all day doing that but I choose not to. I respect your dedication but that does not seem rational to me. Enjoy your BiS loots.

[NachtMystium]

honestly the millions of threads like this is probably why a/a will never stop doing it, i think they enjoy seeing the casuals cry, it makes them feel superior and it justifies those 16 hr track sessions

[Zekayy]

Originally Posted by Soandso [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you top guilds expect other lower guilds to "compete" if they never even get a shot at these raids to learn them? Would it really be that detrimental to you guys if say for example, you were just like were not gunna contest Tormax (or whoever) for the next week? Pretty funny seeing former Taken members take this elitist attitude, you guys have literally become what you used to hate, and it wasn't out of skill it was out of a guild merger.

There are test servers people can make and go test out the fight there, like aftermath did and then come back and complain less

[Litigator]

Originally Posted by Zekayy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are test servers people can make and go test out the fight there, like aftermath did and then come back and complain less

List of things we've learned we need to compete with a/a (let me know if I miss any):

1. At least one person to leave a computer on all day
2. Multiple people to look at a camera pointed at #1
3. Batphone to distribute info gleaned from #2
4. Voice chat and a mic
5. Your own private server where you can practice
6. Enough people to staff a 16 hour racing window where even if all things are equal the chance of your guild winning is 1/3 or 1/4.

You do this week after week after week after week etc. Do you know what an opportunity cost is?

[Naethyn]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep not true at all. On weekends a lot of people spend over 10 hours tracking. I know back in Kunark I put in 18 hours in a row once. Hokushin would spend more time than that when he played. I think the longest I did in Velious personally was 11 hours the first week of races. Fifield was there the entire time too. Nalken has put in some pretty insane hours as well. Detoxx too.

After that first week of racing in ToV I was pretty much done though with raiding. While racing can be fun if spawns happen quickly. It just burns out people long term. When I saw Velious take the same path Kunark did (FTE insta pull>Mage Cothing>Racing) but at a quicker rate that is when I was really done with raiding here. Because the environment does a lot of things to people.

1. It makes you resent guildies who don't put in the same effort.
2. It makes people angry at the runners when they don't get a perceived amount of FTEs. Which in turn makes the FTE runners resent the other guildies more for complaining.
3. It burns out your guild and forces you to recruit heavily for fresh people to do the running.
4. It makes you hate the people you are competing against because of all the work it takes so every little thing that goes wrong gets magnified. So guilds competing with each other just hate each other for no reason outside of you both are trying to do the same thing.

100% truth

[Bones]

Originally Posted by NachtMystium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

honestly the millions of threads like this is probably why a/a will never stop doing it, i think they enjoy seeing the casuals cry, it makes them feel superior and it justifies those 16 hr track sessions

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[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Freakish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When was the last time you saw anyone outside of Rustle / Aftermath / Awakened on TOV stairs or socking VP pad? I think Infernus or possibly CSG has a racer at times. That's besides the point here though. Those casual guilds you offered scraps to said they don't want to race, don't like racing, and thus your offer was not acceptable. You chose to say fine, then they're all FFA. Didn't you end up cleaning house when everything was FFA? We all know that leaving the top mobs as FFA would have resulted in the same thing. Everything going to Aftermath.

I give props to Aftermath for the first suspension split. It was very generous. I even give props for working on that second split that ended up going FFA. I think being willing to give up anything was a solid server gesture. AM did not ruin that, it was the small guilds who were unwilling to accept free loot because it just wasn't good enough. To say those FFA mobs wouldn't have gone to AM though is just ignorant.

oddly enough I was talking about Rustle.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep not true at all. On weekends a lot of people spend over 10 hours tracking. I know back in Kunark I put in 18 hours in a row once. Hokushin would spend more time than that when he played. I think the longest I did in Velious personally was 11 hours the first week of races. Fifield was there the entire time too. Nalken has put in some pretty insane hours as well. Detoxx too.

After that first week of racing in ToV I was pretty much done though with raiding. While racing can be fun if spawns happen quickly. It just burns out people long term. When I saw Velious take the same path Kunark did (FTE insta pull>Mage Cothing>Racing) but at a quicker rate that is when I was really done with raiding here. Because the environment does a lot of things to people.

1. It makes you resent guildies who don't put in the same effort.
2. It makes people angry at the runners when they don't get a perceived amount of FTEs. Which in turn makes the FTE runners resent the other guildies more for complaining.
3. It burns out your guild and forces you to recruit heavily for fresh people to do the running.
4. It makes you hate the people you are competing against because of all the work it takes so every little thing that goes wrong gets magnified. So guilds competing with each other just hate each other for no reason outside of you both are trying to do the same thing.

This is well-put and explains a lot.

So, is there a way to improve the raiding on p99, or is this the best it can get?

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, is there a way to improve the raiding on p99, or is this the best it can get?

Just continually hit the earthquake button til the hardcores burn out/lose their jobs/families/etc.

[Dolalin]

It's really just become nasty here.