PvP Thread, Balancing issues / Parsing / Resists / Known issues.

[mimixownzall]

Originally Posted by Lasher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

-Hit box, how close you need to be to hit smeone or get hit by someone
-Did different races have smaller or bigger hit boxes
-Rog's degree of angle to land a Back stab
-Being able to shoot arrows out of your ass
-If you had money on your cursor when being Pked your plat would not be able to be looted
-Clerics not getting stun bash till luclin
-I hear mage bolts on p99 are really slow and might able to be out ran
-At one point soe made all resist debuffs do 150% in pvp compared to PVE

These are all issues that need to be considered.Some stuff will need to be decided by community feedback or by the dev. People will try and tell you on live in 1999 that they resisted root with 110mr 80% of the time but its just bull because they are just making up a % that they are comfortable with. I would almost say a resist formula is going to need to be created. VZTZ resist forumla sucked and from what I read about p99 resist on dark blue mobs theirs might needs some work too. Alot of this is going to be need to be tested and tweaked until you hear minimum bitching from casters and melee.

I see the levitate vs Z axis is already being discussed. I think its needs to be compromised where both sides feel its fair. Melee shouldnt have unlimited z axis range but melee should have a certain distance to be able to hit floating casters. One suggestion is take the average distance that an offensive spell is and set that as the z axis range for melee. If a caster can cast on the melee then the melee can hit them. But if the caster is high in the air and just trying to run away i dont think a melee should have a huge z axis range

On live root/snare never landed if you had 100mr or more (on someone close to your level). NEVER. The only root that would land is the talent one mages got with AA's.

Cleric nukes were later ballanced out a bit vs MR to be more lenient. But this wasnt until like 2002 or 03.

[mimixownzall]

Originally Posted by Macken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Smedy has already warned the GM's about this. If you are a GM and read the above hilarity, do not be trolled.


EQ is Melee oriented through Velious and beyond. If you want to be a top pvper, roll melee. Because if you roll a caster, there is no way to be a top pkr past week 3, unless you have played alot...even then... it would be tough.

There is no dungeon that a caster could win a fight in with a LoS check at end of casting. It gets even worse in Kunark, which is why the above troll was over the top. Less is more when trolling Macht.

If you want to get rid of all casters, then you should just do it at the beginning instead of making them figure it out after 6 weeks of exping, then they quit.

All of the melee trolls in this and the other thread about their need to remain OP vs. casters will end the same way VZTZ did. You will have your time in the sun, but in the end, you will be playing alone. And this time, you won't have anyone to buff or port you because we are all melees now.

Uh... what? Wizards ruled SZ through Velious at least. The top PVPers were wizards. I beg that the 40% rule be removed until Manaburn/Lifeburn (if it ever gets to SoL) like it was on classic. These hard hitting spells are very situational and most of the time can be LoS'd or ran out of range by time it goes off.

Please don't run off casters with retarded resists and the stupid 40% rule.

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please don't run off casters with retarded resists and the stupid 40% rule.

I don't know what you mean by 40% rule but spells did like 66% of normal damage. It isn't like that just to balance against melees but for caster vs caster PvP too. I don't know if you can call it PvP if 2 casters fighting results in someone getting one shoted every time. Necros are throwing around 2700 damage dots in kunark and shamans do 2200 damage bane of nife poison dots. Do you really think there should be no damage reduction and a necro dot or shaman poison dot should 1 shot kill almost every class in the game?

[Bombfist]

Opening post updated with tested information on p99

I won't parse on p99, the data will be too small to be of any value, we need a dev server to parse properly, the tests i can do for now with the characters Isidro kindly put forward is all i can do for now, if someone else has chars they can help with it would be appreciated, thanks again.

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Bombfist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Opening post updated with tested information on p99

I won't parse on p99, the data will be too small to be of any value, we need a dev server to parse properly, the tests i can do for now with the characters Isidro kindly put forward is all i can do for now, if someone else has chars they can help with it would be appreciated, thanks again.

Bomb,

Good job on all the work. Small suggestion for this thread.

When you update the main post, can you throw in dates of when you updated ?

[Bombfist]

Originally Posted by Massive Marc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bomb,

Good job on all the work. Small suggestion for this thread.

When you update the main post, can you throw in dates of when you updated ?

Done, thanks.

Edit, everyone here is american, i happen to be from England, is the date format ok with you yanks? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Massive Marc]

I think that is just fine man.
Thanks for accepting the input.

[Misto]

nice to see the pvp community actually testing ^^

[Macken]

Not sure if this is the correct time or place, but just in case it is....

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off, this statement is completely false because anyone that played Sullon Zek from day 1 will remember the top of the scoreboard was nothing but casters until the day the scoreboard shut down.



For LoS, casters had no problem whatsoever pvp'ing in Karnors and Sebillis was a nightmare for anyone to PvP in regardless of their class.

Cool story bro. Too bad for you, I happen to know intimately about SZ scoreboard. The only casters anywhere near the top were MQ'ing MB'ing wizards. When MB got nerfed, all the melees rose back up top where they had been before MB came out. For the majority of the board's lifetime and especially at the end, melees made up most of the top 10. And just in case you were wondering, it was an Sk at #1 when the board went down, his name was Iackey and he had over 110,000 points. Bring it bro.

If you are gonna make up crap, at least make it up about something no one else will know about.

Not to constantly call you out but reading your posts, you seem excruciatingly Monk centric. How would you know anything about playing a caster, especially as something as advanced as playing a pvp caster in a dungeon? Casters had no problem with LoS? Are you *#&$ing kidding? During Velious they tried the LoS check to finish a spell...for about 2 weeks... then they promptly changed it back... wonder why that was?

Let's just say melees don't need any more advantage over casters than they already historicly have, especially in a dungeon.

But waiting for you to turn from green to white in lguk at the raster spawn was fun.

[Massive Marc]

^ 4R&F bro.