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[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said I don't doubt aftermath used it and won too. Another thing to consider are the skype logs showing Detard continuously asking to cease the practice. Breaken, being a shit leader, continued to do this bullshit forcing the fuckery downhill. That probably played a role in aftermath not eating shit on this too.

And I think Verant got into some serious shit with Microsoft over disabling tabbing, didn't they? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sure he told Hjial to stop as well after Detoxx pestered him about it.

But the problem is always policing. You can only guarantee someone isn't doing this if you have their fraps from their view. The difference to an onlooker is so nuanced it can't really feasibly be policed. So sure, it's against the rules and you've told your guild to do so. Being that the trust level between these guilds is somehow a negative value, you could never guarantee the other guild would be following the rules as well.

I guarantee you some nerds will continue to do this, in both guilds, even after this ruling. Even when both guilds I'm sure at this point, have made it clear it is against the rules. Just because these nerds know it gives them a small edge, they can't really be caught unless they're dumb enough to post their own fraps, and most guilds have individual incentives to getting FTEs which pushes nerds to neckbeard.

Would be the same had Sirken laid down the law back in the VP days about Skype Screensharing those dragons. You can ban it sure, but it's almost impossible to enforce this sort of ban.

So as I said before. Let nerds nerd to their hearts content on top tier targets, and rotate the rest. Sirken make me raid scene GM and I'll Make P99 Great Again.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another thing to consider are the skype logs showing Detard continuously asking to cease the practice. Breaken, being a shit leader, continued to do this bullshit forcing the fuckery downhill. That probably played a role in aftermath not eating shit on this too.

Insane how much credit you give The Toxx with his fruitless requests to cease fire when
A. Its near impossible to prove without first person video evidence, how the fuck can a cease fire even occur without every runner submitting videos after FTE
B. He was a serial and admitted user, yet everyone glosses over this bc he made an impossible request
(If I asked you Cucumbers to stop the rampant random hacking of people's accounts while being logged into an account I hacked, do I get an award for the tip off?)
C. Leadership did not condone or encourage this practice but again, when its out there that not only both sides used this unpolicable method including their guild leader, what exactly can one do, we all know how hard he is to trust when you are competing with him...

This could have ended in so many better ways that dont throw an Everquest community under the bus, yes playing a bit of a victim card but go look at steroids in professional sports - shit is human nature and always always always has a scapegoat when that's not early the full picture. Aftermath's petition against Awakened is akin to Roger Clemens pointing at Barry Bonds while shaking his head saying "What a cheater".

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Insane how much credit you give The Toxx with his fruitless requests to cease fire when
A. Its near impossible to prove without first person video evidence, how the fuck can a cease fire even occur without every runner submitting videos after FTE
B. He was a serial and admitted user, yet everyone glosses over this bc he made an impossible request
(If I asked you Cucumbers to stop the rampant random hacking of people's accounts while being logged into an account I hacked, do I get an award for the tip off?)
C. Leadership did not condone or encourage this practice but again, when its out there that not only both sides used this unpolicable method including their guild leader, what exactly can one do, we all know how hard he is to trust when you are competing with him...

This could have ended in so many better ways that dont throw an Everquest community under the bus, yes playing a bit of a victim card but go look at steroids in professional sports - shit is human nature and always always always has a scapegoat when that's not early the full picture. Aftermath's petition against Awakened is akin to Roger Clemens pointing at Barry Bonds while shaking his head saying "What a cheater".

It's pretty easy actually - both guild leaders agree to tell all their members and officers to cease the use of it. If any officers or the leader catches someone doing it, the person immediately gets guild removed. Further, Detoxx and Breaken agree that neither guild will accept any player removed from the opposing guild that is removed for this.

And your leadership did condone it by not discouraging it or at least attempting to discontinue it. Don't be a blind follower, Eratani. Most of the server has far more respect for you than that.

[Daldaen]

The only way to be caught is if they show you their fraps though... That's the problem. There is no trust between these guilds. They just outright assume the other one will not follow the agreement.

Thus why Aftermath continued to use this. Because they didn't think Awakened would stop. Also why Awakened wouldn't agree to a ceasefire, they didn't believe Aftermath would stop.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Insane how much credit you give The Toxx with his fruitless requests to cease fire when
A. Its near impossible to prove without first person video evidence, how the fuck can a cease fire even occur without every runner submitting videos after FTE
B. He was a serial and admitted user, yet everyone glosses over this bc he made an impossible request
(If I asked you Cucumbers to stop the rampant random hacking of people's accounts while being logged into an account I hacked, do I get an award for the tip off?)
C. Leadership did not condone or encourage this practice but again, when its out there that not only both sides used this unpolicable method including their guild leader, what exactly can one do, we all know how hard he is to trust when you are competing with him...

This could have ended in so many better ways that dont throw an Everquest community under the bus, yes playing a bit of a victim card but go look at steroids in professional sports - shit is human nature and always always always has a scapegoat when that's not early the full picture. Aftermath's petition against Awakened is akin to Roger Clemens pointing at Barry Bonds while shaking his head saying "What a cheater".

A) Several people in this thread have commented on how transparent Hjial was with uploading his FTE videos. If Breaken did as Daldean says he did ("spoke with him after Detoxx's pestering"), then this could have been enforceable on your end just by looking at his videos. The fact that his videos were online and showed him constantly doing this is reason enough to believe that Breaken flat-out ignored Detoxx's requests and continued to allow his members to push what should be an obviously illegal tactic.
B) What does this change? You're not willing to take the high road because you don't know if the opposition will follow suit? Sounds like a bunch of projection bullshit to me.
C) And this is why you're all a bunch of ineffective shitty leaders. You should have discouraged this within your playerbase and been watching for it. You can sit here and say it's not policeable all you want but everyone knows that is complete and utter bullshit. How many fraps do you exchange with Aftermath on the regular? If you both of agree to stop tab-jumping and it's present in an unrelated video, guess what - you've just policed it! And better yet, you can revert to your agreement to not fucking do it to use as leverage with Sirken!

And yes, this could have ended much better for Awakened - Breaken could have not thrown his puny dick around with Detoxx and just agreed to it, and then acted like a leader and booted anyone that didn't follow his orders to not do it (namely, Hjial, the guy who was apparently super transparent and posted all his videos online). Instead ya'll took the 'well no one can prove anything and we can't trust anyone else to not do it so lets just keep being shitty' road and look where it landed you! Your guild leader is trying to save face and pointing fingers at everyone but himself while actively shitposting on other guilds recruitment threads. What a fucking embarrassment. Never thought I'd see the day where a guildleader looks less reasonable than Detoxx.

less reasonable than detoxx

[kurtis]

Brutal.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

less reasonable than detoxx

[arsenalpow]

Less reasonable than Detoxx for good reason, can't trust him.

Where's that raid forum thread from right before we jumped to Phinny. Detoxx had some spiel about how "this server is more than just A/A" and "let's make the raid scene better" as he shits on the server for another 6 months until it took massive sirken suspensions to give non A/A guilds a shot at content.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Less reasonable than Detoxx for good reason, can't trust him.

Where's that raid forum thread from right before we jumped to Phinny. Detoxx had some spiel about how "this server is more than just A/A" and "let's make the raid scene better" as he shits on the server for another 6 months until it took massive sirken suspensions to give non A/A guilds a shot at content.

HOOOOOLLLLLYYYY SHIT!

Did Chest just call someone out on shitting up the raid scene? Did I just read that?

Allow me to reinform you of how you indirectly disbanded casual guilds because your zerg guild needed pixels and you had to find a way to lock casual guilds out of the casual raiding tier. How trying to make Gorenaire a test of whether a casual guild could raid in your rotation was "fair"...and how the rules were formed so that the 2 largest casually hardcore guilds who didn't want to step up could guarantee themselves 2 out of 3 Class R Kunark dragons. You had hundreds of VP keys towards the end of it, but no... don't step up, just go for gold.

BDA took the biggest shit on casual players in this server's history, and then Chest calls someone else out mocking them for exactly what he did.

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The only difference is it backfired for you because you couldn't compete when Velious hit and you were forced off the server due to not being able to feed pixels to a 70-80 strong guild that never stopped recruiting [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[mefdinkins]

Cucumbers, I would have thought that being in multiple guilds from 'semi-casual' to officer of 'super-hardcore' you'd know better. The status quo for the last 6-ish months was that Awakened is killing the most mobs on the server. Detoxx has been trying to disrupt that status quo in anyway he can -- even if that means petitioning a practice that he uses himself.

Breaken and the majority of the officer core within Awakened are great leaders as shown by the strength of their guild.