Bill Maher Explains the Problem with Trumpism 5 Years Ago

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by surron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

check this out im bout to leave work early and go surf some tastey waves and then probably fuck my girl in her butt hole while you losers sit on an internet forum for your friday night

Trump 2016

[rebeccablack]

this is now a level 3 restricted cringe quarantine zone, please stay back

[Angushjalmur]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. No one is talking about 100% equality. That's a straw man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

2. Hilary never said Obama was from Kenya. Trump did for years. It's false equivalency and beside the point.

3. Net immigration from Mexico is 0.

1. Whats the opposite of inequality? Equality. You're pushing for marxist level wealth equality.

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Originally Posted by Hillary Clinton

“It also looks like the reason Obama refuses to produce his actual birth certificate is that it very likely records dual Kenyan and U.S. citizenship at Obama’s birth.”

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Originally Posted by PewResearch.org

In 2014, 5.6 million unauthorized immigrants from Mexico lived in the U.S., down by about 1 million since 2007. Despite the drop, Mexicans still make up about half (49% in 2014) of unauthorized immigrants.

Illegal immigrants also make up about 13% of the US population.

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[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Angushjalmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Whats the opposite of inequality? Equality. You're pushing for marxist level wealth equality.

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3. Illegal immigrants also make up about 13% of the US population.

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Whats the opposite of serious? A joke. Your opinions are a joke.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by pgerman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wealth inequality ?

No one is getting the 1% to pay for anything. Lets be clear about that.





Look at the % of taxes you pay from earning, to buying. If you pay an extra 15 % in various taxes, and get 8% in benefits ...........eh whatever.



I like how people treat the federal government like they are someones mom that just has your best interests at heart.

Federal government going to bring you a warm blanky and some soup?

They are going to tax and control you, until you can't open your asshole and take a shit without getting a permit first.

I also like how all these self noted "independent thinkers" Have the same ideas as every other Clinton/banks/big government zombie.

You are so smart, give yourself a hug.

bam.

[Jarnauga]

Who here thinks that paris hilton works more than the regular janitor in the US ..? you have to be retarded to think "you just have to work a lot to get rich".

This:

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is not communism. Nobody wants wealth equality. Everybody just thinks that you should be able to work any job 35, 40, 45 hours a week and live a decent life. If you think someone who's already working 3 part time jobs for 80 hours a week and can't make ends meet is not working enough, well, i'm sorry but you're just blind.

you guys should try to read that if you have the courage:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capita...-First_Century

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The central thesis of the book is that inequality is not an accident, but rather a feature of capitalism, and can only be reversed through state interventionism. The book thus argues that, unless capitalism is reformed, the very democratic order will be threatened.

Piketty bases his argument on a formula that relates the rate of return on capital (r) to economic growth (g), where r includes profits, dividends, interest, rents and other income from capital and g is measured in income or output. He argues that when the rate of growth is low, then wealth tends to accumulate more quickly from r than from labor and tends to accumulate more among the top 10% and 1%, increasing inequality. Thus the fundamental force for divergence and greater wealth inequality can be summed up in the inequality r > g. He analyzes inheritance from the perspective of the same formula.

The book argues that there was a trend towards higher inequality which was reversed between 1930 and 1975 due to unique circumstances: the two world wars, the Great Depression and a debt-fueled recession destroyed much wealth, particularly that owned by the elite. These events prompted governments to undertake steps towards redistributing income, especially in the post-World War II period. The fast, worldwide economic growth of that time began to reduce the importance of inherited wealth in the global economy.

The book argues that the world today is returning towards "patrimonial capitalism", in which much of the economy is dominated by inherited wealth: the power of this economic class is increasing, threatening to create an oligarchy. Piketty cites novels by Honoré de Balzac, Jane Austen and Henry James to describe the rigid class structure based on accumulated capital that existed in England and France in the early 1800s.

Of course it's economics so open to criticisms and interpretations, but tell me the world we live in is not more and more like the bolded part.

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[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who here thinks that paris hilton works more than the regular janitor in the US ..? you have to be retarded to think "you just have to work a lot to get rich".

This:

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is not communism. Nobody wants wealth equality. Everybody just thinks that you should be able to work any job 35, 40, 45 hours a week and live a decent life. If you think someone who's already working 3 part time jobs for 80 hours a week and can't make ends meet is not working enough, well, i'm sorry but you're just blind.

you guys should try to read that if you have the courage:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capita...-First_Century

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Of course it's economics so open to criticisms and interpretations, but tell me the world we live in is not more and more like the bolded part.

People want good parts of competition (lower prices on goods paid, more goods available) but want to be made immune to bad parts (I could get fired?! Someone else will work for cheaper?) Politicians have basically been exploiting this fact for years, and yet the only people who ever have to pay for it are the middle class and the poor. There's so many tax breaks and loopholes for people who can afford good accountants/lawyers that it's a joke. Corporate tax rates are high, but that just means we incorporate overseas and pay no taxes. Oh apple has to pay $17B in taxes to the EU? Good thing they'll be able to write off that amount on American taxes.

I'm rambling. Basically the gist is that you can put in all these laws but they'll still find loopholes to screw the American public because the 1% is who is in power, and we always get the same old type of people in congress and the govt. I think the crux of the matter is that Americans (and I'm sure other western countries) have some seriously ingrained societal habits that we have to break in order to stop electing the same old retards (from either party) whose only job is to decide the best position to fuck us in.

[JurisDictum]

I actually don't like the idea of corporate tax. I think it would be better to tax rich individuals personal income. This doesn't drive up the cost of business.

I'd say its pretty obvious why we have much higher corporate tax than capital gains tax. The same reason the wealthy use their corporate expense accounts for personal reasons.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like how people think huge multi-national corporations like they have their best interest at heart...and I can go on with the reverse strawman but I'm not going to.

Talking about government like its a monolithic entity with an agenda of its own just advertises your own brainwashing. The government is not one person, one agency, one anything.

The countries with high GDP per capita and low wealth inequality don't use our system, "liberal market economy." They use systems like democratic socialist and corporatism. The jury is out, our system inflates the top one percent until were in the streets like those BLM people. Our entire system is predicated on keeping labor cheap. We aren't -- and never were -- a free market. We don't subject the elites in this country to "market discipline," only the rest of us.

The government is a tool that people in lower classes need to learn to use. Rather than adopting your defeatist attitude. News flash -- there's more of us than them. I'm not suggesting the 1% pay us, I'm suggesting we never let them get as much to begin with moving forward.

Damn this edit is beasting on them. Just getting caught up on this thread.

Lot of bombs being dropped. JurisDictum is going in heavy.