Einstein or Newton

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by big_ole_jpn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i agree newton was a christian einstein was a atheist now u tell me whose smarter

Religious people aren't dumber than non-religious people as a rule, they're just damaged by indoctrination. Einstein had the benefit of a society that had gone through the Enlightenment and moved to secular values and norms. Newton was a complete whack job religious nut but that was more a symptom of the time he lived versus any inherent failing in his character - Christians in those days were more like ISIL than not.



Regards,
Mg

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe modern religions (Christianity et al) were created for women, both specifically and indirectly, but that's a whole nother meta-discussion. I bring the woke views when its time u kno.

Uhhhhh yeah thats why they treat them so well LOL -- Mg

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Borak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Newton was the last famous person who still believed in alchemy. Eh, why support a quack.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_transmutation

For those of you who won't actually read this, nuclear transmutation could be considered modern day alchemy. In 1980 a professor at UC Berkeley actually turned atoms of bismuth into gold, which was one of the original aims of alchemy (albeit at a loss). I don't know if I'd consider a guy a quack for believing something was possible just because the technology to actually do it wouldn't exist for a couple hundred years.

[Baler]

This is insane, you fool. I'm a fool because I have more faith in the saints that wrote the Bible? Yeah, because you just read the words of a bunch of guys that you never met, and you just take it on faith that everything they wrote was true. Hm. And what makes you think what your scientists are writing is any more truer than my saints? Because there are volumes of proven data. Numbers. You know, figures. Th-There are fossil records. Oh, fossil records. Ah! I didn't even think about the fossil records. I guess I'll concede. Oh, wait, uh, one more thing before I do, Mr. Reynolds. Have you seen these fossil records? (bell tolls) Have I... huh? Have you pored through the data yourself? The numbers? The figures? Well, no. I'm-- no. Oh. Interesting. So let me get this straight, Mr. Reynolds. You get your information from a book written by men you've never met. And you take their words as truth, based on a willingness to believe, a desire to accept, a leap of... of, dare I say it? (laughs) Faith? (bell tolls) Come on, come on. Look, I mean-- I don't even know how I'm supposed to respond to that. (bell tolls) Like... oh, come on. That is a... that's a false equivalency. (bell tolls) Just answer the question, Mr. Reynolds. Sure. Yeah, okay. I rest my case.

Science is a religion. (I'm not talking about Scientology)

[maskedmelon]

Difference is, with science one can determine the veracity of claims if they like :/

[Baler]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Difference is, with science one can determine the veracity of claims if they like :/

Except most people don't prove it themselves. They go on about their life and accept what they're told based on beliefs they never determined to be true or false. They're raised by other people who tell them it's true. Till the day that they die.

Sounds like a faith and belief system to me. One that kinders up to a higher power which they don't understand themselves.

Einstein said his religion was science.

[Angushjalmur]

Tesla

[bdastomper58]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is insane, you fool. I'm a fool because I have more faith in the saints that wrote the Bible? Yeah, because you just read the words of a bunch of guys that you never met, and you just take it on faith that everything they wrote was true. Hm. And what makes you think what your scientists are writing is any more truer than my saints? Because there are volumes of proven data. Numbers. You know, figures. Th-There are fossil records. Oh, fossil records. Ah! I didn't even think about the fossil records. I guess I'll concede. Oh, wait, uh, one more thing before I do, Mr. Reynolds. Have you seen these fossil records? (bell tolls) Have I... huh? Have you pored through the data yourself? The numbers? The figures? Well, no. I'm-- no. Oh. Interesting. So let me get this straight, Mr. Reynolds. You get your information from a book written by men you've never met. And you take their words as truth, based on a willingness to believe, a desire to accept, a leap of... of, dare I say it? (laughs) Faith? (bell tolls) Come on, come on. Look, I mean-- I don't even know how I'm supposed to respond to that. (bell tolls) Like... oh, come on. That is a... that's a false equivalency. (bell tolls) Just answer the question, Mr. Reynolds. Sure. Yeah, okay. I rest my case.

Science is a religion. (I'm not talking about Scientology)

you get your opinions from a television comedy

moron

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except most people don't prove it themselves. They go on about their life and accept what they're told based on beliefs they never determined to be true or false. They're raised by other people who tell them it's true. Till the day that they die.

Sounds like a faith and belief system to me. One that kinders up to a higher power which they don't understand themselves.

If you are arguing that in general people are incapable of original thought irrespective of dogmatic allegiances, I would agree. Most adopt an ideology to expedite menial decision making that their faculties might be better spent on deciding what's for dinner or which Netflix series will earn their attention for the evening.

However the nature of the average person alters neither the nature of science nor of faith.

But to your question, no, I do not think faith makes one any less intelligent. You are right that many people treat science as others treat religion. That is not what science is though.

[Baler]

Originally Posted by bdastomper58 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you get your opinions from a television comedy

moron

I'm a moron because I have more faith in the people that wrote the TV Show?

Have you poured through the numbers yourself?

I rest my case.