Rogues, don't spend dkp on Sky belt

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Freakish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Base backstab time = 10 seconds. 100% haste will lower this to 5 seconds.
100 = 5.0 seconds
41 = 2.05 seconds
27 = 1.385 seconds
41% haste is 0.665 faster on the cool down which is difficult to display when EQ logs come out in 1.0 sec delay relays.

If you want the raw numbers with each haste item equipped, backstab will refresh in:

41%: 7.95 seconds
27%: 8.615 seconds
0%: 10.0 seconds

What data?

[Freakish]

Are you going to nitpick this? You posted your own data over on bugs, in a separate thread from the other haste bug thread. There's plenty of data showing that haste IS lowering cooldown. Just not epic haste. Which is the bug. If you want the extra 0.665 seconds between each backstab, go with a good haste item. If you don't care, keep your rbg. As far as I know, epic is functional on regular attacks so it won't be a problem.

[bdastomper58]

So how many rbgs are you selling?

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Freakish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you going to nitpick this? You posted your own data over on bugs, in a separate thread from the other haste bug thread. There's plenty of data showing that haste IS lowering cooldown. Just not epic haste. Which is the bug. If you want the extra 0.665 seconds between each backstab, go with a good haste item. If you don't care, keep your rbg. As far as I know, epic is functional on regular attacks so it won't be a problem.

Yeah, didn't realize there was a haste thread. Was just trying to understand some things. But I found a lot of resources today I didn't know existed. I'd be fine with a gm wiping the thread.

[captain]

The real question here is who the fuck spends DKP in sky at this point in the game?

[Erati]

41% doesnt grow on trees dude

if you arnt killing Yelinak, doing Dozekar quests or get NTOV raid loot.....Sky 41% belts are your only option for haste above CoF

[Cecily]

Well, it's one for the money,
Two for the show,
Three to get ready,
Now go, cat, go.

But don't you step on my grey suede boots.
You can do anything but lay off of my grey suede boots.

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Step in my face,
Slander my name
All over the place.

Do anything that you want to do, but uh-uh,
Honey, lay off of my boots
Don't you step on my grey suede boots.
You can do anything but lay off of my grey suede boots.

You can burn my house,
Steal my car,
Drink my liquor
From an old fruitjar.

Do anything that you want to do, but uh-uh,
Honey, lay off of my boots
Don't you step on my grey suede boots.
You can do anything but lay off of my grey suede boots.

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by Hackattack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the worst post and data collection I've ever seen.

You need to get out more.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Freakish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Base backstab time = 10 seconds. 100% haste will lower this to 5 seconds.
100 = 5.0 seconds
41 = 2.05 seconds
27 = 1.385 seconds
41% haste is 0.665 faster on the cool down which is difficult to display when EQ logs come out in 1.0 sec delay relays.

If you want the raw numbers with each haste item equipped, backstab will refresh in:

41%: 7.95 seconds
27%: 8.615 seconds
0%: 10.0 seconds

Bad math,

Hasted_Delay = Base_Delay/(1+haste/100)

At 100 delay:

100h_Delay = 100/(1+100/100) = 100/(1+1) = 100/2 = 50
41h_Delay = 100/(1+41/100) = 100/(1+.41) = 100/1.41 = 71


This is why our Mayor asked for some data. Your numbers don't conform to haste calculations.

[syztem]

posted about this in melee/rogue section some 6 months ago and someone did up the math. nilbog confirmed working as intended ever since patch shows haste % there is no way to fix it without reverting backwards. When I was raiding with a dozen rogues, some who had primal, others who didn't but wore eashens claw or had sky haste belt anda 12/17 weapon were outparsing others. Then on top of that, the ability to get triple duelist backstabs off with ease wearing just a 41% haste item made it very clear something was wrong

since deadeye was always used in classic due to guaranteed 3x backstabs even if min hit, but 3x duelist backstabs = win win win even with bad RNG you're likely to do more. too lazy to dig up his posts, but if you search for it youll find that unless he reverses the quiver haste theres no way to fix it properly(atleast at the time his words were something like that)