I love to have a Bard in group, but I hate them when they are solo

[Swish]

It is like getting mad at a biker for cutting through traffic, yall know you'd do it if you could.

[Domo]

they aren't doing anything wrong or illegal

True. I would prolly do the same if I would play a bard.
Anyway, I still hate them for pulling a whole zone and even yell at you when you get one mob which they would also like to pull.
With all respect in my heart, some bards can go fu... themself.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by katrik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they aren't doing anything wrong or illegal

I'd say it's wrong to almost completely clear an outdoor zone of mobs.

LOIO / OT / DL were some of my favorite places to XP back on classic (and early p99) Sure, the xp wasn't as good as a dungeon, but it was safe, minimal travel, and easy to find a group for 1-2 hours and then stop. When you subtract the xp and time lost from the inevitable deaths in Mistmoore or Unrest (back before half of lvl 20's were running around with fungi and epics and content was more dangerous), outdoor zones usually came out fairly even in comparison.

After bards learned to swarm on P99 on a massive scale, that experience was severely diminished. One day I couldn't even do orc highway because some bard was swarming them. Orc highway was one of my favorite places from classic.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Well, if a bard has more than four mobs in his train it is legal to pick off of him.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by katrik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't disrupting a bards pull to purposefully get him harmed illegal? I know nobody likes bards/swarming, but they aren't doing anything wrong or illegal using their class to its full advantage.

In zones like OT they are generally just taking mobs (and there are plenty to spare). Few people actually level in FV, so that's not a big deal. The same goes for LoIo, tons of mobs. In each of these zones, bard wipe and pathing trains are rarely problematic (it's possible, but not all that likely).

The problem is when bards move to more dubious areas like Dreadlands. Latency in the zone is screwy, making them prone to dying. Latency in the zone is also screwy in that the big pulls do cause palpable lag that interferes with the players operating there. The biggest problem, however, is that they will inevitably die ... and when they do every last chicken and dog they failed to kill will path back to their spawn point, meaning a dozen (or 2 or 3 dozen or more) will path right through the walls of KC castle where groups like to set up shop. Nothing like sitting by castle wall only to have 3 drolvs and 2 birds ghost through the wall and eat your bacon. This is assuming a best case scenario where the bard was super careful not to pull his mobs in a way that they run by/over the groups xping there (which happens frequently), meaning that if and when the bard dies the mobs will make a B-line to said person or group via proxy aggro during the pull.

**Zone disruption is illegal, and there's a case to be made in a lot of swarming instances that the zone is being disrupted.

**Mob monopolization is illegal. Generally in the areas bards do this there are plenty of mobs left over, but that isn't always the case.

**Training is illegal. If your pull (intentionally or otherwise) causes collateral damage, the puller is responsible.

Too often, the assholes breaking the above rules (some are subjective, others such as training are clear-cut and VERY objective) are not held accountable or punished.

My main is a bard. I understand the bard hate ... because there's a lot of careless bards out there who just don't give a shit.

[Priceline]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is like getting mad at a biker for cutting through traffic, yall know you'd do it if you could.

and just like when bards get fingercuffed by their trains, seeing gifs or videos of stupid ass crotch rocket cunts going for a tumble cause of their reckless driving makes me feel all fuzzy in pants.

[radda]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is like getting mad at a biker for cutting through traffic, yall know you'd do it if you could.

[radda]

Originally Posted by Priceline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

seeing gifs or videos of stupid ass crotch rocket cunts going ...

look, he said "cutting through traffic"
not denying KC'ers their camp mobs.
I.E. the bard Chariot and their excellent KC pulling/kiting
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[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOIO / OT / DL were some of my favorite places to XP back on classic

Yep, OT was great in classic, I spent countless hours there with guildies, there were always at least five full camps pulling out of OT and a lot of duo's etc. It's just a mess here, bards running everywhere with 20+ mob kites.

[Swish]

I like the ones who go /anon to hide their guild tag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]