Please Change the Two Boxing Rule

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Thetan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

people saying multiboxing will ruin grouping are fairly clueless

Based on prior polling, more than half of the server is clueless, then.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ghlight=boxing

I could also say that people who think multiboxing won't have a sizeable negative effect on server culture are fairly clueless and really don't have the experience the guys who run this server have.

or they would realize that if people didn't want to group, they could just pick one of the other Emu servers out there and box up to dozens of toons.

The culture of those servers is plain evidence to the case you're arguing against. The assumption "People play on this server because they want to group, so anyone who would box if they could is already on the other servers" is a pretty silly assumption.

But I won't go any farther in this argument, because its been beaten to death too many times.

In addition to the already provided link:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ht=boxing+rule
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ht=boxing+rule
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ht=boxing+rule

[Damaja]

Just NO
Allowing 2Boxing on P99 is the DUMBEST idea ever.

[Thetan]

That poll was a year ago and the server was relatively new back then I believe.

People constantly prove how clueless they are by the people they elect and adore. Michelle Bachman, Sarah Paylen, etc, if that doesn't prove how clueless lots of people are, I don't know what does.

I'm personally embarrassed by Michelle, she's from my state FFS. The woman constantly lies and misleads and yet she's constantly being brought onto shows to spew her crap.

Either way, I don't care. Remember, Necro. I'm going to be self sufficient when I can't find group and I don't really think the server needs it as there's plenty of what I assume are single boxers.

But who am I to force my feelings and desires on someone else.

[jimthayner]

After wasting a good hour reading this thread, I've realized that neither side has offered ANY EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE WHAT-SO-EVER to support their side. Neither side has offered me any proof other than idle speculation as to what may or may not happen if we allow/continue to disallow two-boxing.

The anti-two boxers are offereing a lot of theories and anecdotal evidence about how bad it would be (without offering any empirical proof), and the pro-two boxers are basically saying "it would be easier for me to play the game." Neither argument is valid for changing policy, or should even be considered by any group of people that have any amount of common sense or concept of objective decision making.

The only coherent argument made so far is against allowing people to pay money to two box, since Sony probably would try to shut us down if we became a for-profit server.

Just for the record, this entire thread has made anyone who has read it dumber, and I think every single one of you is an idiot that can't quantify what they want and why. And people that can't quantify what they want, and back it up with arguments that use facts that were gathered scientifically, then this should be good enough for you:

THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THIS SERVER SAID ITS NOT OKAY, SO THAT SETTLES IT. You lost your right to question when you failed to do so effectively.

That being said, I'm glad the devs released this server, as I've been trying to find a classic EQ experience for a long time. Hats off to you guys, and the work you do, to maintain this server.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Thetan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That poll was a year ago and the server was relatively new back then I believe.

People constantly prove how clueless they are by the people they elect and adore. Michelle Bachman, Sarah Paylen, etc, if that doesn't prove how clueless lots of people are, I don't know what does.

I'm personally embarrassed by Michelle, she's from my state FFS. The woman constantly lies and misleads and yet she's constantly being brought onto shows to spew her crap.

Either way, I don't care. Remember, Necro. I'm going to be self sufficient when I can't find group and I don't really think the server needs it as there's plenty of what I assume are single boxers.

But who am I to force my feelings and desires on someone else.

I don't know why politics should even be brought into this - but the mere fact that someone chooses to vote for one of the people you mentioned doesn't "prove" they're clueless. It "proves" in your own mind that they're clueless because they don't see things how you see them. But regardless where you fall on any issue, it's not about people proving themselves clueless (because no objective proof of such exists), its about not being so arrogant as to assume that those who disagree with you are stupid.

[toxiqwurm]

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[jimthayner]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know why politics should even be brought into this - but the mere fact that someone chooses to vote for one of the people you mentioned doesn't "prove" they're clueless. It "proves" in your own mind that they're clueless because they don't see things how you see them. But regardless where you fall on any issue, it's not about people proving themselves clueless (because no objective proof of such exists), its about not being so arrogant as to assume that those who disagree with you are stupid.

Couldn't agree more. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them retarded. Believing that everyone that disagrees with you is a moron (just because they disagree with you) is the first step to tyranny and megalomania. Now, there is a scientific definition for 'moron' and 'idiot' based on people's rated IQ levels, but not even those are completely objective as there are many different IQ scales and tests.

If you're going to think someone is an idiot, do it for their lack of adherence to coherent fact or other things that are generally 'provable' by science.

[darkblade717]

Having people donate for an IP exemption could result in the loss of real players who use P99 as something they do with a loved one. Plenty of people 2-box now, they just aren't dumb enough to post questions about it on the forums.

[Nedala]

Originally Posted by jimthayner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After wasting a good hour reading this thread, I've realized that neither side has offered ANY EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE WHAT-SO-EVER to support their side. Neither side has offered me any proof other than idle speculation as to what may or may not happen if we allow/continue to disallow two-boxing.

The anti-two boxers are offereing a lot of theories and anecdotal evidence about how bad it would be (without offering any empirical proof), and the pro-two boxers are basically saying "it would be easier for me to play the game." Neither argument is valid for changing policy, or should even be considered by any group of people that have any amount of common sense or concept of objective decision making.

you want proof? check one of the servers where 2 box is allowed, and see how HORRIBLE that is.

[jimthayner]

Originally Posted by Nedala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you want proof? check one of the servers where 2 box is allowed, and see how HORRIBLE that is.

I dislike two boxed servers, but horrible is a subjective term. Evidently, the people that two box on those servers like the two-boxing environment. Liking/disliking something isn't proof. Bottom line is that devs here banned it, with what seems to be a general consensus of the players being against allowing two boxing. That's fine. What it boils down to is a matter of personal preference. We're happy here disallowing it, and people are happy there allowing it. Good arrangement.