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Old 02-24-2011, 12:14 PM
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Dio, is that a...gasp...double rainbow?
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Old 02-24-2011, 12:24 PM
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It looks like this all comes down to how people interpret what holding a camp means.

To many of us, it means that you have to HOLD that spawn. You die, you lose it. It has nothing to do with being a DICK to that person. It just has to do with what holding a camp MEANS. If you die, you aren't holding the camp. You shouldn't be at that camp. Being tired after hours and hours of camping and then dying, means that you LOST the battle for the camp. That is part of holding a camp... can you stay awake/functional long enough to be victorious? The only reason you are going to lose a camp that you HAVE, is by losing your own battle with that camp.

To some people, holding a camp means that you can die and expect that camp to not be taken simply by others being nice and believing your sob story. How long do you let somebody have the camp while they make a CR? When exactly does somebody become a dick? After 10 minutes? 15 minutes? 30 minutes? The problem is you are creating this imaginary line that nobody knows except you... and if people don't conform to what YOU believe is the appropriate time, they become a dick. See the problem? Most of us understand this, and thus, when we die while holding a camp, we say to ourselves "damn I suck...why did I have to die and lose that camp". The example somebody mentioned about camping Lord in lguk and believing that it would be a dick move to watch the pull and take it if the people died to the lord... honestly makes no sense to me. If they die to the Lord, they shouldn't of been trying to camp him. They lost their personal battle with the camp.

So yeah, it just comes down to opinion. Those that follow the rules and believe a camp is lost when you die, are seen as greedy loot whores from those who expect to be able to die at their camp and come back sometime later and expect it to be handed back to them.

It has nothing to do with being greedy or only caring about loot. It has to do with your opinion of what holding a camp means. It is unfortunate that those who believe camps should be held for them for an undetermined amount of time while making a CR, are seeing the others as douchebags and trying to pain them all as such.
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Old 02-24-2011, 12:29 PM
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Lawful Evil is adhering to the rules but using them to twist events in your favor. "Rules lawyering" is using regulations to shield yourself from retribution as well as an excuse to not have to do the right thing. In reality these people not only want to do the wrong thing, they want to not be accused and blamed as well instead being portrayed as honorable individuals.

Did any of you play D&D?

Finally claiming that "A mention of X guild was unnecessary you could have reported it to an officer." Is a PR move that is utilized by businesses since forever. It's also censorship and mud slinging to claim that the person should have reported it to "your" authorities instead of letting the public know.

It's very easy to know what type of person someone is by examining their actions. Everything else is an illusion.
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Old 02-24-2011, 12:33 PM
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Dio, is that a...gasp...double rainbow?
It could be... it could be.... It also could be... A Double Rainbow..... A Double...... Rainbow In the Dark....
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Old 02-24-2011, 12:36 PM
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Did any of you play D&D?
I'm happy I can answer "no" to this question. Though, if i were in high school 5-10 years earlier I *clearly would have.
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Old 02-24-2011, 12:46 PM
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Man, I wanted an intelligent argument. Thought you would be nice enough to put some time and energy into a response that would refute some of the points I made. I am disappointed. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 02-24-2011, 12:50 PM
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It looks like this all comes down to how people interpret what holding a camp means.
Don't bother. These guys are getting a self righteous high with their holier than thou attitude. Logic does not seem to be getting through here.
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Old 02-24-2011, 01:02 PM
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Old 02-24-2011, 01:02 PM
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Don't bother. These guys are getting a self righteous high with their holier than thou attitude. Logic does not seem to be getting through here.
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Old 02-24-2011, 01:24 PM
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