New ToV Racing Rules

[FatMice]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It means that there are a lot of people that leech off trackers, leaders and FTE players in the top guilds, and then adopt this "they got to earn it" attitude about getting 1/6 the pixiles.

Yea but those people still have more merit than the people just asking for hand outs.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It means that there are a lot of people that leech off trackers, leaders and FTE players in the top guilds, and then adopt this "they got to earn it" attitude about getting 1/6 the pixiles.

In Aftermath we value the monk flopped AFK at the zone in for 7 hours on raid day just as much as we value Fifield.

This because we don't like Fifield.

[zanderklocke]

What is a handout in EverQuest?

Is the ability to engage a mob and the mobs leading up to it the original way the designers of the game intended, through a dungeon crawl, a handout?

The competition on this server is arbitrary. The expansions came out so fast on live that players were not impeding each other from trying to kill mobs. It was harder to get to 60 and have enough players for a raid force on the live timeline due to how fast the expansions came out.

What is considered competition here is not *actually* a real thing in the mechanics of the original game. It is a totally player created thing.

Somehow handout has been equated to playing the game as it was originally intended. A handout would be Sirken giving out items in the East Commonlands Tunnel.

Yes, some items should only be in the hands of top raid guilds, but I think this server has a warped idea of what that means. This is the fault of how many years this server it out and why non-progressive MMOs are actually not a good thing.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by FatMice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea but those people still have more merit than the people just asking for hand outs.

Nope. They want you to think so but not really. Chest works a lot harder than these people. Any casual raid leader does.

[Phantasm]

So you think people that show up to their job and wait for handouts deserve a raise? I know its a poor analogy game/job bit that's the reality. You want people to be rewarded for simply waiting, when those willing are putting in very high levels of "competition" to secure the pixels for their guild mates and themselves sit back and do what?

If you want endgame join AA. Otherwise avenues have been created allowing entry to even the most casual of guilds.

Imagine if this shit was proposed during the TMO era of raid domination. Lol. Good luck convincing them to let casuals into VP. Same applies to ntov

[zanderklocke]

[QUOTE=zanderklocke;2244593]

Yes, some items should only be in the hands of top raid guilds, but I think this server has a warped idea of what that means. This is the fault of how many years this server is out and why non-progressive MMOs are actually not a good thing./QUOTE]

Also, as much as Chest's my way or the highway attitude is obnoxious, I tend to agree with most of his posts lately. I think his approach is pretty reasonable, and I commend his guild and the other guilds not willing to do the stuff the top guilds are doing.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I seem to remember BDA and Taken attempting to institute some sort of kill requirement to join the rotation. Too lazy to find a source, but I specifically remember smaller guilds scoffing of the idea that they'd need to kill gore to enter the rotation on common footing. Memory is a bit rough, but I think it had something to do with splitting the Kunark mobs into two tiers, and killing Gore would have been the mob necessary to enter the tier with all the good mobs.

That was right before Velious - it was an attempt at a reform to the rotation that had been in place that some guilds were taking advantage of.

It didn't end up mattering since Rogean/Sirken said the Class system was dead with Velious.

[zanderklocke]

[QUOTE=Phantasm;2244596]So you think people that show up to their job and wait for handouts deserve a raise? I know its a poor analogy game/job bit that's the reality. You want people to be rewarded for simply waiting, when those willing are putting in very high levels of "competition" to secure the pixels for their guild mates and themselves sit back and do what?
/QUOTE]

No, to your first question.

Why I'm saying is that calling this behavior competition is silly. It's not real competition. The 'waiting' is not competition. The run up, pulling mobs, FDing, or anything involving actually doing actions on the keyboard could be considered competition. Overall though, EQ is not a game designed for competition, and I feel bad for the people that have created this current 'competition' and the lifestyle that leads to success in this 'competition'.

I don't care who gets what on this server, but I feel bad for the people that are willing to stare at their screen for 10+ hours. There isn't a lot of human or life value added in that type of behavior. They are the real losers in this situation.

[JurisDictum]

To repeat what has been said a million times:

NToV as hardcore only made since on live, because no one else had to fucking time to be there. Now, that people do have time to be there that aren't hardcore, the idea of NToV being "hardcore only" doesn't work like it did. It only works for a subset of people with low self-esteem that love the idea they are getting pixils no one else can -- even though they want to!

It's always the god damn band-wagoners that pipe up first too. The people that did the least to get the most. That's how these people work, they have no separation between their personal interests and their server philosophy.

[Nibblewitz]

Your personal interests force me to question your server philosophy.