Aftermath eating a full 10 days raid suspension

[TMBLOW]

Originally Posted by Vorkon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guess people CotHing early because they were off a few seconds on the fail timers doesn't happen or raids moving to the Ice Bridge early before FTE occurs doesn't happen either?

You are fooling yourself if you don't think 'Letter of the Rule' violations occur on just about every failed ring war Dain repop. Or sitting there spam hailing Dain while you set the aggro/banish/summon table, seeing him run back into the castle then back to the raid followed by the 'stall' tells and ooc pissing contests.

We see this stuff all the time.

Lol so the story changes

First off - theres no rule that you have to wait for 'FTE' before you can move beyond the zones when raid mobs are up. You DO have to however wait for the mobs to actually spawn before you can set forth to contest the FTE. This is what Gimpster failed to do properly.

You are also currently failing at your comprehension of what the rules are. COTHing 'early' so that the FTEer lands at Dain's feet when hes up is not illegal. You can start a COTH spell whenever you like so long that when the FTEer is not summoned before Dain pops. If hes summoned before the raid mob had appeared it would fall under 'tracker FTE' much like what Gimpster did on the repop spawns.

If you have evidence of guilds breaking a rule as you describe please post it.

[Vorkon]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right. So you are:

I guarantee you next week they'll be a bunch of petitions going out against all raiding guilds again. So I don't see how I am excusing anyone's behavior. I addressed the Gimp thing, I addressed the Aftermath leaving thing, I addressed what a shit show raiding is.

I merely posted because you can read through this thread and see that people expected the latest guild summit thing and rule changes to fix things. My first post in this thread was about how given the nature of p99 raiding its the same stuff over and over again.

I happen to be cool with Gimp so I think that bugs our local RnF dwellers. I'm not raiding and havent been for about 3 weeks, so if Aftermath eats a 10day suspension over this I would expect every infraction that guilds accrue to start eating suspensions as well. Things in the past that guild leaders would work out between themselves aren't going to be talked about and its right to petition quest as there is no reason to work things out as its easier to just get your competition suspended.

[Gimp]

You can play the tracker FTE bullshit angle all you want, but you've yet to tell me how what I did is any different than winning a PD FTE race on a repop. Until you do that, you're just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.

[TMBLOW]

Its cool P99 community, anything that applied and governed VP Phara Dar repop races of years past are now the gold standard for our current server rules and should be never questioned since only the most privildeged even raced for stupid PD years ago.

Am I rite?

[Gimp]

Exactly the pussified passive aggressive response I was expecting.

[Legday]

If you want to call out Gimp on racing when the ground shook as opposed to waiting until Tormax actually appeared, then you sir, are the Lord of rule lawyering.

Everybody knows there is a slight delay on the mobs actually popping. Nobody knows exactly what it is. With PD it was never an issue because the run up to PD takes awhile so he had already popped when the racers arrived. Nobody has done that since Velious dropped because if you're on the pad in VP when there is an earthquake you say fuck PD and get to Velious. It doesn't mean it isn't the rule still in effect.

Lots of nerd rage in this thread. Sirken OK'd exactly what we did in Kael. Get over what happened and start thinking of ways to work with us on fixing it going forward, as many of us have said in the last 2 days.

[TMBLOW]

who is rule lawyering? You guys are the ones citing PD race tactics during the old ass VP class system as a basis for Gimpster to ignore posted server rules today

I am just pointing out how he did not follow clearly listed infractions - you guys are digging up court cases ...Guyz PD Repop Race precedent set precedent!!!!

Class act.

[Batso]

Additionally, petitioning a guild (that in this case was following the rules) with the intent to get them suspended is likely to backfire and get your own team suspended. You're welcome.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

You have to wait behind the gate. For example, this was taken a split second before the rumble at the Balahoo zone line for a Thomas fte'r.

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[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Batso [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Additionally, petitioning a guild (that in this case was following the rules) with the intent to get them suspended is likely to backfire and get your own team suspended. You're welcome.

We've got two infractions against Aftermath, though. 1) leaving the start too early (before KT popped) and 2) stalling (not allowed to leave the zone after you FTE). Even though they clearly broke two different rules on the same engage, I would settle to punish them as one infraction together. Agree to sit out next two KTs or eat 10 day ban and have loot deleted.