Shadows of Luclin server

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Arclyte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

teleport spells are part of why people make druids and wizards

1. strong utility spells like ports makes the player feel needed and wanted
2. poor players use it to make money
3. as an old player, you may have already traveled the world, but newer players havent. Instant and free pok books takes away all traveling and everything that comes with it (exploring an unkown zone, coming across a rare mob, running into a sand giant etc)

How would you like it if the game took a major part of your class design and just gave it to everyone for free? Maybe we should have slow wands on a vendor in every city, because getting a shaman to do it for me is too much of a hassle.

PoK made the game feel cheaper and began the long and shit-strewn walk down the path of making the game easier. Fuck PoK. Fuck Luclin.

Yeah pretty much, though not why all play them. Personally, I don't really care for porting people around. Though I really do like having the ability to leave an overpopulated area for a better one at the time, even though my character may not be as good at certain aspects of combat than say a shammy or necro but w/o the ability to port. It's just a trade-off.

Part of the big problem with more modern EQ is it started all going homogeneous. It became more casual and with the blurred definitions of classes. Yeah with porting, but then with C from Enc's but to rather just get that super buff (forget the name now) that lasts a long time. Then heck, why not those followers too? I left live before then and went to the emu but they give heals etc. Then you could buy haste off a vendor, or C or whatever.

It was a gradual slide, PoK books were just a part of it all. As long as it's someone else getting screwed than it's ok. But eventually everyone gets screwed.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah pretty much, though not why all play them. Personally, I don't really care for porting people around. Though I really do like having the ability to leave an overpopulated area for a better one at the time, even though my character may not be as good at certain aspects of combat than say a shammy or necro but w/o the ability to port. It's just a trade-off.

Part of the big problem with more modern EQ is it started all going homogeneous. It became more casual and with the blurred definitions of classes. Yeah with porting, but then with C from Enc's but to rather just get that super buff (forget the name now) that lasts a long time. Then heck, why not those followers too? I left live before then and went to the emu but they give heals etc. Then you could buy haste off a vendor, or C or whatever.

Lets not pretend this has anything to do with Luclin or Planes. Good straw tho.

[AzzarTheGod]

Class balance wasn't really achieved until Luclin /Planes, or at least the closest the classes came to being balanced raid reward wise.

[Evia]

Originally Posted by Freezi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Velious gave druids Nature's Touch turning them into somewhat viable healers at endgame. This is the beginning of the end of EQ. Making everything easier and homogenizing all the classes. It's a slippery slope guys. Let's just go back to Kunark.

Nice try. fail post. nobody seeking healing from druids end game people still search for clerics. While I get the point you're trying to make it's not working with the example you're giving. Torpor and shammies would have been a little closer to the mark. Still though, Cleric healing is still elite. Although I CAN skip a cleric on some groups if we have a torpor shaman in grp. So I'd give you that one, maybe.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nice try. fail post. nobody seeking healing from druids end game people still search for clerics. While I get the point you're trying to make it's not working with the example you're giving. Torpor and shammies would have been a little closer to the mark. Still though, Cleric healing is still elite. Although I CAN skip a cleric on some groups if we have a torpor shaman in grp. So I'd give you that one, maybe.

This.

Nobody will EVER, EVER use a druid healer. EVER. It used the same as a Paladin, meaning you require a 2nd healer in the group if you take on a druid.

None of these points are valid Evia, the classes remain very well defined for the next several expansions well through Omens of War.

He is derailing, and most certainly a part of the vocal minority that has irrational nerd-hate for Luclin-- based on what they "heard". "I heard this. I heard that.".

You heard wrong. Many of us actually played this game in classic through Luclin intensively. What an insult.

[thufir]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He is derailing, and most certainly a part of the vocal minority that has irrational nerd-hate for Luclin

Originally Posted by Nilbog

There is no way I would go forward with Luclin and beyond. (cat people and aliens? really. It went from a fantasy setting to 1990s scifi.)

keep insulting nilbog pls, this is fascinating

[Tann]

Originally Posted by thufir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

keep insulting nilbog pls, this is fascinating

it was fascinating at first, Azz is getting way more obvious now though.

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[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by thufir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

keep insulting nilbog pls, this is fascinating

I think it is you that is insulting nilbog by digging up old stuff from several years ago that he no longer stands behind in an attempt to make this some kind of personal argument.

You are also off topic. There goes that vocal minority again.

[thufir]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are insulting nilbog by digging up old stuff from several years ago that he no longer stands behind.

You are also off topic. There goes that vocal minority again.

nonsense, he still doesn't like it, nothing you have posted disproves that

you posted some vague things wording that he may be open to possibly overseeing development if he can find some dudes who actually want to work on it

in all cases it hasn't been shown that nilbog personally feels that luclin was anything but drek

but please, go on and call anyone who disliked it consumed with irrational nerd-hate(tm)

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by thufir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but please, go on and call anyone who disliked it consumed with irrational nerd-hate(tm)

Just the ones making disingenuous contributions to this thread. Druid heals in Velious ruined Clerics role?

The irrational hate is real. Are we supposed to just laugh at you? I haven't figured it out yet.

And none of this changes the fact that you are still off-topic with nilbog's name in your mouth.