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[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by mgellan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Atheists simply disagree with a "God exists" position. That doesn't infer that all Atheists have a "God doesn't exist" position

*blink* huh?
Need I more coffee? a-theist. The a- is no or not or apart from. Not necessarily anti- which can mean similar to but in contrast, deceptively so. But it's root is apo- Usage: apo-theistic (correctly: atheist). From the greek, not from old English a- (on, in, toward etc) usage: astride, ablaze etc.

edit: I should dash that so not to confuse with Apathesitic, which would be an atheist who is not interested in (apathy?) accepting or denying any claims that gods exist or do not exist. That would be an "Apatheist" which is not the same as an Atheist. I think you're describing an Apatheist.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*blink* huh?
Need I more coffee? a-theist. The a- is no or not or apart from. Not necessarily anti- which can mean similar to but in contrast, deceptively so. But it's root is apo- Usage: apotheistic. From the greek, not from old English a- (on, in, toward etc) usage: astride, ablaze etc.

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[Raev]

I think atheism and agnosticism are orthogonal. Neither the existence nor the nonexistence of God are falsifiable, so you are either an agnostic or an idiot. However, it's quite reasonable to have beliefs about things that aren't falsifiable, so both theist and atheist are reasonable positions to take.

[Lune]

I just broke this all down in that other thread you silly gooses

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There isn't one. Also agnosticism and atheism aren't mutually exclusive. One pertains to matters of knowledge, and the other to belief.

Agnostic Atheist: We can't know whether there is a God, but I believe there isn't.
Gnostic Atheist: I believe there is no God and I claim to know it because of "evidence" x, y, z.
Agnostic Theist: We can't know whether there is a God, but I believe there is.
Gnostic Theist: I believe there is a God and I claim to know it because of "evidence" x, y, z.
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2/5 of these are stupid.

[Pokesan]

a simpler way of describing agnostics would be "I don't really have an opinion but I sure do love hearing myself talk by golly!"

[iruinedyourday]

I always considered myself an agnostic, but maybe you guys could tell me where I am on teh scale, "I dont really have an opinion but if I hope its harry potter or starwars when you die". Where does that put me?

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a simpler way of describing agnostics would be "I don't really have an opinion but I sure do love hearing myself talk by golly!"

They aren't the ones that build massive buildings to gather in every sunday and talk for hours about unicorns n talking snakes n shit though.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I gave it a shave with an edit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He's actually referring to Apatheist. Atheist is a deceleration of No Gods. Apatheist is a deceleration of no deceleration, or apathy towards the subject in general. That would be even different from Agnostic, which is usually defined-accepted as don't know or can't know.

Originally Posted by Filthy_Pagan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually they do make assertions without evidence (eg "I know god doesn't exist), they have saints (tyson, nye, sagan, dawkins), they have a dogma (the big bang, which is still highly speculative), and they have guidelines (be a good person just to prove you dont need a deity to tell you to)

I would say this is accurate. It's a faith-based religion in it's truest form, or blind-faith more accurately.

[Pokesan]

have any of you ever met an agnostic theist in person, not a book?

[iruinedyourday]

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