Wiping the leaderboards

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by dis_mornin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're dumb.

I acknowledge your sentiment, but I think there's fruitful discussion to be had if you could elaborate a bit?

[dis_mornin]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I acknowledge your sentiment, but I think there's fruitful discussion to be had if you could elaborate a bit?

No real need to. YT argument was had like 2 years ago when we fought to get it put in. Sure some pvp threads shown through screenshots were funny and missed but the server was stale without YT. Community fought hard for it and devs finally gave in. It has been a huge success. It promotes PvP. And from the standpoint of the leaderboards.. If you don't like them, no one is forcing you to goto the website. If anything, again... It promotes PvP.

[Tameth]

#nomoreplugs

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by dis_mornin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It promotes PvP.

My argument is that it promotes the wrong kind of PVP; though I imagine it does increase the overall number of PKs.

Based on Sirken's comments, outsiders think the Red community has been getting significantly worse over the last year+.

If you care to point me to a thread with the original arguments for YT I'll take a look.

Originally Posted by dis_mornin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And from the standpoint of the leaderboards.. If you don't like them, no one is forcing you to goto the website.

It doesn't really matter if I personally visit the website; I play with the community influenced by it either way.

[dis_mornin]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My argument is that it promotes the wrong kind of PVP; though I imagine it does increase the overall number of PKs.

Based on Sirken's comments, outsiders think the Red community has been getting significantly worse over the last year+.

If you care to point me to a thread with the original arguments for YT I'll take a lot.



It doesn't really matter if I personally visit the website; I play with the community influenced by it either way.

Well I can assure you that there isn't really any kind of wrong pvp promoted by YT that wouldn't exist without it. And I can also assure you Sirken doesn't know dick about what's going on on Red99. The community has improved significantly over the past years and the people that play here can easily support that. Or if sirken wants we can go back to the days of 30 people max on the box. Nizzar doing everything in his power to suppress any form of competition on the box. Tune playing 48 hours a day slaying lvl 52 relentlessly. People bind camping for no other reason than to grief or in the old days, delevel the person.

Sirkens "outsiders", aka the blue community, think red99 is a shit hole because the GMs like Sirken do not speak favorable of it or promote it in the way that they should. Those people also have never tried it. Speak to anyone on Red 99 right now that originally played blue and I can assume you they are very very pleased with their decision to switch over.

All in all. The box has never been in a better spot than it is right now. Population has never been on average as high.

[easy_lee]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My argument is that it promotes the wrong kind of PVP; though I imagine it does increase the overall number of PKs.

Based on Sirken's comments, outsiders think the Red community has been getting significantly worse over the last year+.

If you care to point me to a thread with the original arguments for YT I'll take a lot.

No need, I can explain.

We want people to PvP, as that's what the server is all about. We also want people to know PvP is happening, so the server doesn't seem boring. Since we have a small pop, people pushed for YT and global OOC to fix both problems.

Why did YT make people PvP? Because everyone likes to get kills and brag about it. It's really that simple. And if you think about it, there weren't many other options.

Consider that EQ has no kill tracking system, no PvP only pixels, and no reward for PvP at all. People used to contest camps, but that got less common as the server got older and smaller. Most of the players are leveled now, and the ones who aren't are spread out over the whole level range. The server is big enough that people don't have to fight over much till endgame.

People still take plat from each other, but it doesn't matter much anymore. The server is old enough that people have acquired millions of plat, which are hoarded in banks. The amounts of plat people actually carry are trivial.

And of course, we can't steal gear anymore.

In short, there's rarely any incentive to PvP at all, until endgame. And even at endgame, the zerg is currently impossible to contest because melee > casters and because we don't have enough raiders for multiple raids to be sustained, given the nature of velious content.

YT creates incentive. It's not great incentive, as it basically amounts to flexing epeen. But it works. And the only ways to create more incentive for PvP, without adding a bunch of non-classic rules, would be to either reset the server, so everyone was low level and low on plat again, or reinstate item loot.

[Nirgon]

pro: sort of prevents LNS issues sometimes by allowing entire online pop to call out LNS violations publicly (or GMs to back read ooc LNS call logs), current pvp system because of no item loot (yuck)
cons: used to berate the shit out of people, develops mental illness

[dis_mornin]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pro: sort of prevents LNS issues sometimes by allowing entire online pop to call out LNS violations publicly (or GMs to back read ooc LNS call logs), current pvp system because of no item loot (yuck)
cons: used to berate the shit out of people, develops mental illness

Also helps prevent bind camping which used to be a huge problem in this box

[heartbrand]

YT such a good incentive that people plug when their hp drops to 99%

[dis_mornin]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

YT such a good incentive that people plug when their hp drops to 99%

Not everyone is as scared of PvP as you