not cool, nilbog!

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Massive Marc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Admitting your mistake doesn't make you less of a idiot. K thx.

Oh noez! Massive Marc used the "K thx" forum language that means he wins! You saw it here folks - Massive Marc is superior to me in this internet forum. Clearly his knowledge of "forum deathmatch" has surpassed mine - indeed he is a worthy adversary. I'm just lucky he didn't go as far as "K thx bye" or even the dreaded "Kthxbye"!

[Aanelan]

lol @ the Dickfest tag

[john_savage1982]

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go kill some frogloks bitches

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guess what?

Pickpocketing isn't classic in its form.
Pets don't melee faster with low-delay weapons.
Dot stacking

Etc.

Classic argument has failed. Stop using it.

This is "quasi classic" and the sooner people accept it for that, the better. Cherry picking classic mechanics and ignoring others arbitrarily makes it so. You can't use the "but it's classic" statement, at all. It isn't universal.

I obviously still play here, and enjoy it a great deal, but let it fucking die with the "it's classic" bullshit.

Well, 2 of those issues on your list are known (pets and dots), and will be/are being worked on. I'm not sure what you are referring to about pickpocket. We don't have a huge team of eq developers that can fix any problem on a whim. We slowly add features as fixes are presented or written from scratch. If you want to see them corrected faster, make a detailed bug report about it, so we do not have to put in a week of research on top of fixing it.

Whether you want to believe it or not, the 'it's classic' reasoning still works for me. See, if it was an option to completely and totally revert this to classic, we'd flip the switch, and everything you might mention wouldn't be arbritrary. You wouldn't have item links or different UI possibilites. We do the best with what is available.

Few things I wanted to add to your list, that I want fixed and hopefully we can:

-stamina bar working
-lulls classicized
-sneak pulling
-alcohol effects working properly
-npcs charming PC pets
-PCs charming PCs

Things we might never see due to client:

-qeynos citizen 'gypsy' models
-brown skeletons
-message board functionality
-no medding without spellbook until lvl 35
-sea king and siren's bane non-hollow boat models

Use those examples for the next 'its not classic' list, because I'd like to see them changed as well. If we would change it, but can't or haven't yet, does that still support your argument? When there's nothing left to do source-wise, I'm sure you can still use the client issues. We have a list of our own that we work to correct.

[Randy]

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[Tippett]

Originally Posted by boboo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah put some time and effort into it, and dont EVER msg uthgaard on ANYTHING, act like youre afk if he messages you (you know, he could take "What do you mean?" the wrong way) and you might not get banned and lose that time and effort.

U mad brew?

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, 2 of those issues on your list are known (pets and dots), and will be/are being worked on. I'm not sure what you are referring to about pickpocket. We don't have a huge team of eq developers that can fix any problem on a whim. We slowly add features as fixes are presented or written from scratch. If you want to see them corrected faster, make a detailed bug report about it, so we do not have to put in a week of research on top of fixing it.

Whether you want to believe it or not, the 'it's classic' reasoning still works for me. See, if it was an option to completely and totally revert this to classic, we'd flip the switch, and everything you might mention wouldn't be arbritrary. You wouldn't have item links or different UI possibilites. We do the best with what is available.

Few things I wanted to add to your list, that I want fixed and hopefully we can:

-stamina bar working
-lulls classicized
-sneak pulling
-alcohol effects working properly
-npcs charming PC pets
-PCs charming PCs

Things we might never see due to client:

-qeynos citizen 'gypsy' models
-brown skeletons
-message board functionality
-no medding without spellbook until lvl 35
-sea king and siren's bane non-hollow boat models

Use those examples for the next 'its not classic' list, because I'd like to see them changed as well. If we would change it, but can't or haven't yet, does that still support your argument? When there's nothing left to do source-wise, I'm sure you can still use the client issues. We have a list of our own that we work to correct.

Pickpocket issue I am speaking of is being able to pick pocket droppables from mobs. You can't pickpocket things you were able to in classic.

I don't personally care about it, but I'm just using it in the argument about classic.

Like I said, and I'm sure you know, I am 99% happy with this server and the work you guys have done. I'm just confronting the "it's classic" and "it's not classic" argument from players answering in your guys' stead.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pickpocket issue I am speaking of is being able to pick pocket droppables from mobs. You can't pickpocket things you were able to in classic.

I don't personally care about it, but I'm just using it in the argument about classic.

Like I said, and I'm sure you know, I am 99% happy with this server and the work you guys have done. I'm just confronting the "it's classic" and "it's not classic" argument from players answering in your guys' stead.

I can sum it up this way - the overriding intention on the part of the devs/etc to make things classic is a valid explanation, which is what I think most people mean when they make the argument. Call it a backpedal - spin - whatever - but that's what it is.

They do not necessarily mean that the server is 100% classic, therefore anything not in it is not classic, and everything in it is classic, period (as if p1999 was the gold standard for classic, and not vice versa). I don't think anyone means that unless they're being ridiculous. Of course, there is a lot of ridiculousness in the world.

However, i'll submit to "it's not classic" and "it's classic" are not entirely valid explanations or arguments, as there are often other more important reasons things are or are not "classic," as Nilbog mentioned.

Hopefully i've finally clarified myself.

[darkblade717]

Originally Posted by DevGrousis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That thread wasnt meant to be a rant or flame. As you can tell by the title and opening post it was just a question of when an estimated time for kunarks launch might be.

THIS is a rant/flame whatever

dont nazi shut down threads because you 'sick' of having to see something brought up again.

xp penalties are wack, and un necessary. even if its free, no one WANTS to eat a shit sandwhich. but when your starving..

to justify the them being here as "its part of classic EQ" is fine, but to say it is alive and well exactly where it should be, because most of the penalties dont make any sense at all. How a fully group dependent tank has a 40% penalty, but a unbelievably OP mage has a 10% penalty is not only beyond me, but beyond any logic. like stated prior. not a mistake in coding, just a mistake in the thought process that leads to the xp penalty existing in the first place.

i love you and this game dont take this the wrong way. without this kind of criticism life doesnt work.

Thanks,

Dev

Group-dependent tank? If you're talking about an SK/Pally YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!

[Lostprophets]

Originally Posted by Hobby [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is not easy mode EQ



Please see EZ Server.

EZ Server isn't EZ after a certain point. so don't hate if you haven't tried it.

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