Bernie Sanders is a bad ass

[Lune]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those who rise from poverty rise from it whether given aid or not. Those who do not, do not whether given aid or not.

This is just not true, and represents such a fundamental lack of understanding about the forces that go into play regarding social mobility.

Yes, exceptional individuals will often improve their station. However, the presence of opportunities, support, and pathways out of poverty not only make it easier for someone to climb out, but also help negate the deleterious effects poverty has on human capital. If you consider the opportunities I had being born rich, to my nephew who was born to a fat white trash druggie mother (drank alcohol while pregnant) and abusive absentee father, who the fuck do you think is going to grow into a more capable person 9 times out of 10? I had a fucking godlike education, excellent nutrition, an extensive support network, great healthcare, my parents paid for my bachelors. I would have to have been completely retarded not to "succeed". Compare that to if I grew up in poverty, and it would have been much more difficult.

Consider the US military, which is in many ways a welfare program for young males. All the myriad benefits that come from military service, including the GI bill, veterans preference points for countless occupations, professional development, occupational training, VA healthcare, etc etc, end up being a springboard out of poverty for many individuals.

I'm not saying I'm even in support of direct welfare. We shouldn't just cut people a check. But things like affordable healthcare, affordable housing, and affordable tuition are not subsidizing stupidity, they are investing in human capital.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And this is your counterargument. Classic.

IRYD > Combustion engines only work because they destroy the souls of puppies
Orruar > You don't understand the basics of how chemical energy from gasoline is converted to kinetic energy
IRYD > Take your fancy words back to your klan rally, they have no place here

u fuckn tard, your entire argument was just a senseless flame.. then you try to say my counter argument is weak?!?

Look at this shit idiot:

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol, someone who believes all economic systems are zero sum games. You literally have failed to grasp the very core of what an economy is and how it produces wealth. It's no wonder you fall for appeals to emotion and simplistic arguments.

Thre is no content in your post, you have no argument, you just ranted about nothing. lol idiot jesus you are stupid.

[James_Joyce]

The US military, student loans, and academic scholarship already provide every leg up a motivated individual requires to succeed in USA if he works on a marketable skillset. I have more than one friend from an utterly destitute family who went to my rather expensive school on loan/scholarship combination with zero dollars from parentals and now makes over $100k in their 20s. The idea that the American system is stacked against those who try is insane; only subsidizing failure and income from interest can stack the deck in favor of losers, against winners.

If you can't make straight A's throughout high school and are unwilling to take any of the other options available to you, you deserve to fail. I don't really feel for kids who have a fucked up family situation unless we're talking about overt abuse and prevention from doing your dues, which does happen I will admit. Nevertheless, if you require guidance to seek your own happiness, go and suffer.

I lived alone in a house throughout the entirety of high school yet had two no-show jobs throughout, graduated valedictorian while only attending about 50% of classes thanks to some scams I was running with fake minutes to fake student government meetings, and with $20k in the bank and a full scholarship to a reasonably prestigious university. At some point I went from unapproachable nerd in shabby clothes to rock star in fine self-bought raiment having my dick sucked by the girl I beat out for valedict, after she got done sobbing about being defeated. The only leg up I had is a couple of not terribly intelligent parents who got me turned on to reading at a young age so I wouldnt turn out like them, and then left me alone after age 5. Life is fucking easy, and fun as shit too if you're willing to see it for what it is and bend the rules to your will instead of clinging to some servile sense of morality. If not, go drown in your own shit slave.

Same goes for the terminally unemployed. Is everything on your resume 100% legit? Either you're such a badass that that is plenty convincing, or you're doing it wrong.

I'll concede that college education is stupidly expensive in the US and student loans too easy to get in too large an amount for too stupid/lazy a person, which needs to be addressed. It's sick that we try to pull minors into interest slavery when they are still too young to understand the full consequences.

Consider that perhaps the heritable cases of poverty are the descendents of oarsmen with shit genetics who haven't been subject to natural selection for too many generations, and should be sterilized in favor of those willing and able to use available options to rise above their birth circumstances.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by James_Joyce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The US military, student loans, and academic scholarship already provide every leg up a motivated individual requires to succeed in USA if he works on a marketable skillset.

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[James_Joyce]

I fail to see how an illiterate can even argue this point with me IRYD. If you qualified as a "motivated individual" your posts here would look a lot different.

[James_Joyce]

Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But that's not mummy and daddy promised me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Srsly though arguing to break'bend rules means the system need fixin

It really doesn't, though.

There will always be those who bend human systems to their will. Separating leaders out from the submissive followers is an important part of any hierarchical system, and every successful human society in history has required a hierarchical system of some kind to maintain any stability. Feature, not bug.

[One Tin Soldier]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe it's less about convincing other people than it is about learning to better articulate and hone our own beliefs.

I can accept that but it doesn't explain why I started posting in this thread.

[Lictor]

Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IRYD has yet to make a well thought out post. And has been much more angry and violent the forums lately.

Iryd is just mad that the entire red server is up in arms about the only holo shaman switching teams. I guess iryd's shaman is not as badass as he brags about on the forums as no one even knows he is in the guild.

[quido]

damn that Killer Mike guy is annoying

[James_Joyce]

tactical black friend