Save the Server, Allow guild instanced raid zones

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Nibblewitz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A bit. I can understand flash mobbing a Velious target, because of its difficulty and required raid composition, but why up the ante on the small classic and kunark encounters?

I wasn't on, it spawned during normal working hours I think.

What was the total force number that flash mobbed Nagafen?

[Ravager]

Last Nagafen didn't really have a zerg on any side, it was just a fustercluck from all of the training going on.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wasn't on, it spawned during normal working hours I think.

What was the total force number that flash mobbed Nagafen?

Mobbed AND trained from both sides. Bugs/Bats/Beetles first and then someone in that mob had a pet warp through the roof (like they have been doing) and trained everyone with Nagafen. Concessions were asked for, BDA got told to fuck off, and y'all killed the dragon. Our fraps and logs are quite conclusive but who gives a shit.

P99 raiding! Catch the fever!

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Last Nagafen didn't really have a zerg on any side, it was just a fustercluck from all of the training going on.

BDA had 8, which is fine for Naggy/Vox. One of our better Vox kills was like 7 or something.

[Daldaen]

People are really bad about rushing past LDCs, especially rooted ones and not clearing their aggro.

Also people tend to forget that fighting FGs in the tunnel before 4-spawn causes them to warp above and train all of Naggy's Lair also.

Those combined make for some great fail trains.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People are really bad about rushing past LDCs, especially rooted ones and not clearing their aggro.

Also people tend to forget that fighting FGs in the tunnel before 4-spawn causes them to warp above and train all of Naggy's Lair also.

Those combined make for some great fail trains.

Sure. I'm fine losing a Naggy in a straight up race. But when my guys are rolling 8 deep, and your nearly 30 man 2guild allied raid force trains all the trash AND Naggy at different points in the race AND this is the response when confronted:

[Tue Dec 08 11:10:11 2015] *Redacted* tells you, 'wasnt anything to compromise, their was maybe 10 bda in zone... we were the ones in the position of power...'

After allllll that is when I'm going to get annoyed.

[Montreal]

To those saying that splitting the server would kill the population, you are wrong from my point of view. When there's 800 players online, but 300 of them are socking NtoV/AoW etc etc, the real population for casual players like me is 500 players.

I don't raid a lot, so I dont have interactions with most members of the top guilds. If there was a server split and most casual players moved there and the top guilds remained here, most casual wouldn't even see the difference. I'm sorry to say that because there are plenty of nice people in the top guilds, but from a Casual player's point of view, top-end players basicly don't exist and are not part of the same community. .

Let's be honest here. We are not all playing the same game. There's a huge difference between population and community. Let's say all the casual players left the server, aside from being unable to sell your unwanted loot in EC, this game would be basicly the same for the top guild members : Get batphone, log on, compete with the same guilds for the same mobs, log off. Prepare your next RnF posts.

I don't think instances is a good option, but my opinion is irrelevant about that because that content is not meant for players like me on this server and never will. If there was ever a casual server on the horizon, I would gladly make the move. Something like limiting a guild's rosters to 100 toons would probably be enought to make sure the high-end drama we see here wouldn't find it's way there.

[arsenalpow]

Limiting the roster does nothing, you'll just have ZergGuildAlpha, ZergGuildBeta, etc. You can still coordinate without guildchat.

There's only really two factions at the top end, those willing to do what Rampage/ForsakenGard are willing to do for pixels, and those that find issue with some of the more unseemly aspects of the raid scene. Honestly, I don't think anyone is really enjoying the raid scene. It's fun when you get loot, some of the personalities are funny to deal with, performing wacky pulls is always interesting, but it's not fun. You do what you have to do in order to get the pixels if that's your motivating factor while playing on p99.

I don't want to be the doom and gloom guy but the raid scene is as bad as it's ever been, and even knowing that I'll be around jumping through hoops because I want to keep my community together, and playing the game is what makes us stick together (us = BDA)

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by Montreal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there was ever a casual server on the horizon, I would gladly make the move. Something like limiting a guild's rosters to 100 toons would probably be enought to make sure the high-end drama we see here wouldn't find it's way there.

Any new server would immediately be descended upon by the neckbeards to ramp up to 50 in weeks and "dominate" raid content so they "win" while continuing to answer batphones on Blue IMHO. I fail to see how this will help casual players. You're just giving them something more interesting to do versus levelling alts on Blue. Limiting rosters won't change this one bit... sorry!

Regards,
Mg

[khanable]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're correct, the biggest servers only had 2-3 uber raid guilds, so things were definitely contested but not like it is here. You'll never get a schedule like that here though, the p99 adage is always croot and contest (thanks red) if you want a slice of the raid pie.

Not only were there 2-3 higher end guilds, they also contained significantly less people and had far less of a turnover rate. I remember on live having 45 people was basically a zerg.

What we have on p99 is the 2001 equivalent of merging all level 60's from 6 servers onto one server and the 1-59 crowd was taken from the test server.

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[indiscriminate_hater]

BDA doing big things, killing naggy and vox on the reg. apply now!