Ninja looting

[Cherry23]

They can be banned I assume ? Play nice policy fail ?
Like we all go LD from Time to Time but what are the odds of a LD after losing a roll and on a tstaff and being the original looter ? 1 in a Gajillion ?

At least never play with that person again

[JboxCSU]

Originally Posted by Llandris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That, my elf pal, is ninja looting.

Scenario time. PUG in KC. T-staff drops, everyone rolls. Someone without the winning roll loots and /q's. Ninja looting. Logs are your friend

Thought so. My butthole puckered when I read ninja looting was allowed.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Llandris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That, my elf pal, is ninja looting.

Scenario time. PUG in KC. T-staff drops, everyone rolls. Someone without the winning roll loots and /q's. Ninja looting. Logs are your friend

What about this..

Raid force Guild A kills VS.

Known KOS member of Guild B in PvP range sneaks in and loots the VS legs after a short period of time, while using skill to evade detection with jukes and timing.

Past staff rulings have indicated this is legal if its in PvP range?

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by JboxCSU [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thought so. My butthole puckered when I read ninja looting was allowed.

Some "ninja looting" has been ruled legal in the past afaik.

Each staff member has their own interpretations, so you do this at your own risk.

Sirken himself stated in regards to ALL SERVER RULES that he will enforce the spirit of the rules, not the letter of the rules as he sees fit.

I am guessing this is why some ninjas have been given de-facto amnesty and cleared as legal. If one guide bans you, petition appeal to another GM for final ruling if it seems there's been rulings in your favor in the past.

PvP range ninjas have been legal and given amnesty, but again, this is at your own risk. Ninja is very gray area and its all about the staff answering the petition in my experience. My friend took an FBSS from Chewie and FoH/Red Dawn while in Lguk camp together, and was given amnesty due to his story and being in PvP range.

[MasterCaster]

My scenario is grp of ppl all in range kill mob it drops a no drop item only usable by 2 ppl in grp 1 being me and the other person loots corpse instantly and takes item then disbands grp and when questioned says sorry, we going somewhere else now our porter here.

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by Llandris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That, my elf pal, is ninja looting.

Scenario time. PUG in KC. T-staff drops, everyone rolls. Someone without the winning roll loots and /q's. Ninja looting. Logs are your friend

shrug, sirken's always said to us "if pvp can solve it, i don't care"

aka if the person is in range to pvp, they can loot w/e; it's your fault for not killing them to prevent it

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

aka if the person is in range to pvp, they can loot w/e; it's your fault for not killing them to prevent it

As long as they are known KOS and hostile (aka not in group/with the raid) its cleared as legal and not technically ninja looting, but some type of piracy.

Ninjaing from inside groups is often ruled as illegal, due to the fact you were not KOS/hostile when you ninja'd it. But with a good story/reason, as in the Chewie ninja example, the staff may blame the group leader for trusting another guild and allowing him into the group.

Very hit and miss. The only precedent is raid ninja is legal as long as you are known hostile and KOS with PvP range.

[MasterCaster]

My main concern is the person being in the group having a determining factor or not. If the person was out of group for mob death and in range to group members but can't loot for like 3-4 mins then I would agree its the groups fault from not preventing it. However if you are in group with someone then you probably aren't looking to kill that person over loot you banded together for to even make possible. I just want to make sense or she more light on the finer details of ninja looting.

[Llandris]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

shrug, sirken's always said to us "if pvp can solve it, i don't care"

aka if the person is in range to pvp, they can loot w/e; it's your fault for not killing them to prevent it

In my scenario, there's no way to prevent it. Pvp can't solve the issue. Like others have stated, each case is reviewed differently, depending on the circumstances.

[Kergan]

Always make sure to say the group loot rules in group chat when a new player joins the group so it is in the logs. At that point by staying in the group you are consenting to said rules and violating them is a PNP violation. Also make sure you have at least 1 player of the group out of PVP range of someone so PVP can't possibly happen and solve that particular rules issue.