That desk throw

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enforcing policy is never going to be pretty. Someone suggested letting her finish the day at school, remain in class, and suspend her thereafter, denying her entry the next day so this desk toss standoff never happens.

If someone is going to continue being disruptive, I don't know what else you can do besides remove them. You can't let someone remain in class and dick around on their phone. Also, how do you deny entry the next day? That will require the use of force.

Has anyone who was inside the classroom come out and said that this officer stepped over the line? From what I've heard, the teacher, vice-principal (who was in the room), and one of the students who took a video all said they felt the officer acted appropriately for the situation. And given that none of the videos show the beginning of the altercation (from the time the disruption first occurred), it's impossible to judge whether the call to use force was prudent.

Incidentally, if it does come to light that the student wasn't really being disruptive and shouldn't have been removed from the class, that's not on the cop. That's on the teacher + vice-principal who were in the room. The cop gets called in and told to remove someone. He's outranked in that situation and he doesn't get to make the decision to judge whether the student should be removed from the room/school property.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sheriff in charge said its not his duty or job description to kick disruptive students out of class or regulate disruptive students on Don Lemon CNN last night.

So yeah, this is police state activity by the departments own admission. I can side with iruinedyourday on that one.

Wait, so if the vice-principal calls him in and requests that he remove a student, he can refuse to do that? What's he there for anyway? If the administrators are calling him in to do things that he shouldn't be doing, it sounds like there is a larger problem at this school involving both the police and the school administration.

Also, there's a difference between a police state and a militarized police state. One has giant weapons and uses military tactics and one is just a bunch of dicks with smaller weapons. Don't get me wrong. We have police forces that are way too militarized. But this incident is not a good case study of that problem.

[Pokesan]

We cannot allow teenagers to act defiantly without practicing our sweetest WWE moves on them. Ours is a society of laws. There is no such thing as a proportional response.

[Pokesan]

Won't stop texting in class?

Hit her with the stone cold stunner

[Patriam1066]

^rofl

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait, so if the vice-principal calls him in and requests that he remove a student, he can refuse to do that? What's he there for anyway? If the administrators are calling him in to do things that he shouldn't be doing, it sounds like there is a larger problem at this school involving both the police and the school administration.

Also, there's a difference between a police state and a militarized police state. One has giant weapons and uses military tactics and one is just a bunch of dicks with smaller weapons. Don't get me wrong. We have police forces that are way too militarized. But this incident is not a good case study of that problem.

He said there are "recess officers" on duty for recess, I guess officers who moderate the safety and security of recess activities.

I am guessing this guy in the video was a recess officer but I don't have all the details.

The Sheriff was having to do a political dance but he moved to distance his department from this situation and future situations, looking to shift some attention to the school administration.

His argument insinuated the school was putting officers into situations they shouldn't be in and its the school admins problem first, officers second.

I'm inclined to agree this is the schools problem first and foremost, if no real laws are being broken, or if the officer has not witnessed any actual crimes or wrongdoing. Seems very grey area and I think this easily fits under police state activity as the school admin is abusing the police. Certainly not militarized police state.

[Lune]

When you fuck up at your job, chances are nobody even notices or cares.

When this guy fucks up at his job, it's a national issue and fuel for the news media to race bait.

Was he too forceful? Yes. Does this kind of stuff generally happen to people who are compliant and follow instructions? No. I have no sympathy for some slob idiot getting roughed up for disrupting other students' education. I have some sympathy for this man doing one of the most difficult jobs in the country and making a mistake, and getting crucified for it.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you fuck up at your job, chances are nobody even notices or cares.

When this guy fucks up at his job, it's a national issue and fuel for the news media to race bait.

Was he too forceful? Yes.

lol you act like if a house painter got pissed off and throws a can of paint through a window spilling it all over the living room furniture and floor, should be given a free pass.

Police should not be throwing temper tantrums and children around like rag dolls. you guys act like this is the FIRST TIME a student has acted like an agnsty teen in a school.

Gimi a break you guys cannot be this dumb.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol you act like if a house painter got pissed off and throws a can of paint through a window spilling it all over the living room furniture and floor, should be given a free pass.

Another low IQ analogy hot off the press. In one occupation you're expected to deal with an often heated, forceful, emotionally charged situation while maintaining your composure, which can easily get out of hand. In the other, you are expected to paint walls. Loss of emotional control during heated conflict is a real possibility in the normal course of employment as a police officer, not so much as a painter.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Police should not be throwing temper tantrums and children around like rag dolls. you guys act like this is the FIRST TIME a student has acted like an agnsty teen in a school.

Gimi a break you guys cannot be this dumb.

Did I say police should be throwing temper tantrums? He fucked up, and I recognize that. Your typical angsty teen isn't going to stonewall a cop, he's going to stomp his feet down to the office when told to get gtfo. Your atypical angsty teen is going to get physically removed. I went to one of the best high schools in my state, in a very wealthy area, and even then, on two occasions I witnessed white trash students being physically thrown out of a classroom by a teacher or custodial staff because they were being non-compliant. On one occasion there were applause afterward. Keep in mind this police officer had the support of the teacher, the vice principal, and the other students in the room.

I was only making the point that a police officer fucking up at his job shouldn't be a national issue. It's fucking retarded and it indicates such an obscene lack of perspective. Maybe he should be fired, I don't know. All I know is I have some sympathy for how hard his job is, and a whole lot of contempt for unruly idiots.

[iruinedyourday]

what Im trying to say here, boy wonder, Is that if you throw a temper tantrum on the any job you get reprimanded.

You seem to think that an officer who, when he throws a temper tantrum on the job it becomes a civil rights violation, an assault or even worse manslaughter... that they should for lack of a better word, receive a "free pass".

It's pretty simple, since you so aptly explained:

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In one occupation you're expected to deal with an often heated, forceful, emotionally charged situation while maintaining your composure, which can easily get out of hand.

This means that you are expected to be able to maintain your cool and NOT throw a temper tantrum, even MORE SO than a house painter. This officer didnt, he's got multiple suits against him and complaints, he should be peremantilyl banned from the force